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To: FourtySeven
To put it simply, the AOG believe salvation can be lost, while the Presbyterians (at least the ones in post 217) do not.

That’s what it seems like to me. And that, seems like a significant difference between those two groups. That’s just one example.

Since there IS scripture that gives weight to BOTH the AOG folks as well as the Presbyterians; what do CATHOLICS say?

They are the ones claiming to be RIGHT.


"I drive my body and train it, for fear that, after having preached to others, I myself should become disqualified."
1 Corinthians 9:27
 
 
The one who is victorious will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels
Revelation 3:5
 

658 posted on 05/27/2014 5:49:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

The Catholic Church teaches one’s salvation can be lost, but if we remain faithful, in a state of grace, then we can have assurance in the hope of Christ’s infinite mercy and love.

This is more similar to the AOG position than the Presbyterian, to put it in that perspective, however of course not exactly identical to either.

The main point is of course we agree with the AOG in that we teach there is no absolute assurance of salvation, with rare exceptions given by God directly (eg St Joan of Arc, who’s feast day is soon by the way May 30, she was given assurance of salvation before death), but most of us aren’t given this. In fact we are taught to remain humble and obedient lest we fall into the sin of presumption, which is presuming we are holy enough to enter heaven as we are.


659 posted on 05/27/2014 6:15:20 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Elsie

And if I may add, those two verses may appear to contradict but they don’t. Both speak of the man who endures, the virtue of enduring to the end of the race (as St Paul would put it).

The one who does, the man who is not “disqualified” according to 1 Cor 9:27, is the “victorious” in Rev 3:5.

This is the teaching of the Catholic Church on the matter of salvation. Not assured, if we are not victorious. Assured, if we are not disqualified by our own action, or inaction.


660 posted on 05/27/2014 6:54:58 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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