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To: Elsie

Yes, yes, all true. It is written. And what is written about in the New Testament? Jesus revealing the true meaning of what had been written.

Think of this.....many of the Jews rejected Jesus as the Messiah because He was not exactly what they were expecting, for they did not grasp the true meaning of what had been written. As Jesus said, they did not have the love of God in their hearts. They searched Scripture thinking they had eternal life but failed to come to Jesus because they did not see/find Jesus in the written word.

He had to come in the flesh for the Word to be revealed. Jesus had to come to reveal God’s love and the greatest commandments. Scripture alone was not enough.

What was written had to be interpreted so that all could be understood.


589 posted on 05/24/2014 12:00:32 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: Jvette

Actually, the detail of the Trinity is in the Bible!

 

Matthew, chapter 28

 

18* g Then Jesus approached and said to them, “All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

19h Go, therefore,* and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit,
20
i teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.* And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age.”


592 posted on 05/24/2014 1:59:41 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Jvette; Elsie; metmom
What is doesn’t teach is that which is NOT found anywhere in Scripture and that is that the written Scripture is the only way one can teach, rebuke, correct or instruct. Also, that it is not the only way one can know of salvation.

But that’s a caricature of Sola Scriptura. No one who understands it would teach it that way. Much of this debate is wasted gumming away at the edges because we aren’t talking about the same sufficiency Lets take another look at Paul’s admonition to Timothy:

2Tim 3:15-17 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. (16) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (17) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

We know that the Pharisees’ lack of comprehension was not some lack in the word of God. If they wouldn’t believe the law and the prophets concerning Christ, they wouldn’t accept a resurrection either. They did not have the Holy Spirit. They’d rather blaspheme the Holy Spirit than listen to Him. The fault was in them, not Scripture.

But we do know that for the man of God, who by definition DOES have the Holy Spirit, and is receptive to Him, Paul is recommending Timothy use Scripture as his primary resource for gaining 1) wisdom unto salvation, 2) doctrine, 3) proof of error, 4) for correction of faults, and 5) the cultivation of righteousness. In fact, so “adequate” is this one resource that Paul says it can make a man of God completely ready for any aspect of the Christian life.

So here’s the crux of the matter: If the Scriptures can completely equip the man of God, so that he is both wise to the way of salvation in Christ, and able to do everything a believer needs to do, and he can do this with God’s word, then by extension whatever may be learned about God outside of God’s word is either A) already expressed IN God’s word as well, or else 2) is not necessary either to salvation or to fully equipping the man of God for all righteousness.

Therefore, if some modern group of people comes along who claim to speak for God, we are duty bound to compare their teaching with the known revelation. If a discrepancy appears, who’s word should we accept? Those who merely claim to speak for God? Or the God-breathed words of Scripture?

Gal 1:8-9 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. (9) As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Here Paul is adamant that no one should modify the basics of the Gospel he had already delivered to the Galatians. Even if the purveyor of allegedly new or hidden information was an angel from Heaven, they were to reject that teaching. Why? Because it didn’t exactly match Apostolic teaching, which as Paul says, was not of his own invention, but by direct revelation from Christ. And here’s the thing. He expected them to pick up on the discrepancy ON THEIR OWN. He was surprised they had fallen into deception so quickly. They had the pattern of divine revelation on the matter, and did not use it to protect themselves from false teachers.

And Paul, in laying down that pattern again, only this time in writing, says nothing uniquely Roman Catholic. The Gospel presented in Galatians is the same one taught in every Gospel preaching church across the entire globe, that rule-keeping can’t save anyone, only real repentance from sin and sincere faith in the crucified and risen Christ.

I must go to bed now.

Peace,

SR

606 posted on 05/24/2014 11:34:14 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Jvette
Scripture alone was not enough.

Apparently it was; or JESUS would not have told THIS little story:


Jesus told his disciples:

 

Luke 16:19-31

19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”


607 posted on 05/25/2014 3:42:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Jvette
What was written had to be interpreted so that all could be understood.

Interesting addition your church has convinced you about...




NIV 2 Corinthians 1:13-14
13. For we do not write you anything you cannot read or understand. And I hope that,
14. as you have understood us in part, you will come to understand fully that you can boast of us just as we will boast of you in the day of the Lord Jesus.

608 posted on 05/25/2014 3:47:33 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Jvette
What was written had to be interpreted so that all could be understood.

Who's going to interpret the CCC or the pronouncements of the magisterium?

IS the clear and plain teachings of Scripture are beyond people's ability to *correctly interpret* so is everything else.

Then you need an interpretation of the interpretation, and it's turtles all the way down.

The Holy Spirit guides us in understanding Scripture and opening out hearts and minds to it. The natural man does not understand it because it's spiritually discerned.

621 posted on 05/25/2014 5:19:24 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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