Posted on 04/20/2014 2:44:35 AM PDT by GonzoII
Easily refuted in Scripture?
Not so fast.
Do a count on how many times Peter’s name appears in the Bible vs all the other apostles.
He was the Rock to whom Jesus gave the leadership to carry on his mission on earth. Sure there were others, but Peter was the ROCK.
Of course, you need to look at Greek translations to figure that out.
Check the Greek - Peter was a pebble.
Maybe a new Bible is in order. A correct one.
John also recognized Peter as the leader — the ROCK. They both ran to the tomb of Jesus; John got there first, but deferred to Peter to go into the tomb first.
You may have missed the most obvious point:
5) A simpler line of reasoning gets away from original languages and examines the immediate context of the passage. Notice our Lord says to St. Peter:
And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
Seven times Jesus uses the second person personal pronoun in just three verses. It just doesn’t make sense for Jesus to address everything to Peter and then in the midst of it all say “But I will build my Church upon me.” The context is one of Jesus communicating a unique authority to Peter.
Further, Jesus is portrayed as the builder of the Church, not the building. He said, “I will build my church.” Jesus is “the wise man who built his house upon the rock” (Matt. 7:24) in Matthew’s Gospel. Once again, it just does not fit the context to have Jesus building the Church upon himself. He’s building it upon Peter.
**Let’s just get along fir one day, okay?**
Very good.
Whoever told you that?
Christ is the Savior of Catholics as well as others.
Have a blessed Eastertide.
Why post about Peter on a day like today? The focus should be on Christ risen instead of a man who denied him three times in His time of need.
I will not argue this, however there are numerous scriptures that verify “JESUS and who he was”... is the ROCK or ‘REVELATION’ BEING REFERRED TO in Mathew 13-20...you cannot take scripture out of context and leave out verses 13, 14, & 15.
Scripture interprets scripture not man. Always read the verses before and after for context, as that brings clarity of meaning.
These references to the ROCK show the truth of that REVELATION that ‘Jesus was the Christ’ the reply of Peter not Peter himself, and Jesus is part of the trinity, so there are two OT verses...Please read them for clarity:
I Peter 2:8
ICor 10:4
Luke 6:48
Mt 7:24
Ps 71:3
Ps 78:35
Ps 89:26
Ps 61:2
Ps 31:3
Ps 18:2
Deut 32:4
2 SA 22:2
The BIBLE is GODS WORD not mine, God can defend it, interpret it, if you read it. No arguing, just a list of other references to THE ROCK.
Actually, this is easily refuted in Scripture.
One Verse, hardly, nine including Matthew: Joh_1:42 And he brought him to Jesus. And Jesus looking upon him, said: Thou art Simon the son of Jona. Thou shalt be called Cephas, which is interpreted Peter.
That looks oddly like Jesus calling Peter the word for Rock.
1Co_1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith: I indeed am of Paul; and I am of Apollo; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
Let's put 1 Corinthians 1:12 in the proper context shall we:
10Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11For I have been informed concerning you, my brethren, by Chloe’s people, that there are quarrels among you. 12Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, “I am of Paul,” and “I of Apollos,” and “I of Cephas,” and “I of Christ.” 13Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15so that no one would say you were baptized in my name. 16Now I did baptize also the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized any other. 17For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made void.
The Rock is Christ. That is Who the church is built upon.
If you choose to believe that is the translation then you go right ahead. I will stick with what Jesus said and has been held true for 2000 years.
God did not leave us a book?
You don’t ascribe to the Word of God?
The Bible is timeless...it has and will always be authoritative. Just because people have different interpretations of it (and they will because they are fallible) doesn’t mean the Bible itself is wrong.
Paul recognized Peter as a stone...Paul's refusal to call Cephas Peter is telling...
1Co_1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith: I indeed am of Paul; and I am of Apollo; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
Interesting that you should post this verse...You should have looked at the context...
1Co 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
1Co 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
Paul is rebuking everyone who claims he follows Peter, or Apollos, or Paul as one being above the other...This shoots down the false idea that Peter is above anyone for anything...Glad you reminded me of that scripture...And here's the double whammy...
1Co_4:6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.
There is no supremacy in Peter, Apollos, Paul or any other disciple of Jesus...
Well that's completely unbiblical...Don't you guys ever pick up a bible and read it???
The original apostles were chosen to bring the 'good news' to the Jews and Jews only...After the Jews rejected Jesus, it was revealed to Peter that Gentiles were also going to be allowed to participate in what was promised to the Jews...
It then was revealed to Paul the he would not only lead the charge to bring the Gospel to the Gentiles which outnumbered the Jews by far but that his charge for this monumental endeavor did not include Peter or the others for their charge was to continue focusing on the Jewish population...
There is no mention of any successors of those 12 Jewish apostles while there are successors of the apostle Paul clearly written about right in the scriptures...
The Jewish population was ultimately put on hold during Peter's ministry while the ministry by Paul and his successors flourished...Has been that way for 2000 years and will continue til God is done with the Gentiles (Rom.11)...
Why would your religion follow one apostle when we are clearly warned not to pick one apostle above another??? That's certainly not the will of God...
You've already got one...Your religion named it the catechism...
ummm, Paul NEVER said Peter was the rock
Never
Revelation denies Peter any supremacy
Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
The book to the Ephesians denies Pete any supremacy
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone];
As for counting Peter’s name, lets count authors, instead
Who died for the church? Peter or Christ?
Who offers forgiveness of sins? Peter or Christ?
Who cleanses us from our sins? Peter or Christ?
Who is the New Testament about? Peter or Christ?
Christ is the answer to all of these.
When Christ named Peter(the Rock)from Simon. He is addressing someone outside of himself because Christ is the builder.
Matthew 18 And I tell you, you are Peter(The Rock),[d] and on this rock[e] I will BUILD MY church, and the powers of death[f] shall not prevail against it.[g] 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven,[h] and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
“And I Tell YOU, YOU ARE PETER” He changed the name Simon to PETER. Which means ROCK.
When God Changes names something is happening here. Peter is the Rock. He is addressing PETER without a doubt.
When I say in a conversation “ And I TELL YOU” I am pointing out to you . He is obviously addressing To the one he is talking at in the conversation.
Then if I would put “YOU ARE PETER” I am emphazing you are the ROCK also to the next words- “ and on this ROCK I will BUILD MY church, and the powers of death[f] shall not prevail against it.[g]
19 I will give YOU the KEYS of the kingdom of heaven,[h] and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
He is addressing “The Rock”that was named by him. PETER.
Also when you give Keys those Keys are to be passed on to someone responsible as a leader. I have a house with keys. I only pass them on to who is to be trusted.
Peace in Christ to All
It should also be noted that every time Jesus said “you” to Peter in the Original Greek it was in the Singular not the plural.
Peter understood the NAME in Matthew 28:19, and ALWAYS baptized in the name of JESUS. The power is in the NAME.
Call him the ‘rock’, but your church doesn’t obey him.
Oh, and Andrew knew Jesus was the Christ before Peter did.
Peter used the ‘keys’ alright; he had to be present for the Holy Ghost to be poured out to the three main groups of people: He opened the door to the Jews in Acts 2, to the Samaritans in Acts 8, and the Gentles in Acts 10.
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