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To: af_vet_1981; CynicalBear
Miriam is the Virgin of Israel, the very Israel of God so that in the context of Revelation 12 we see her. Israel did not bring forth Messiah except through her, for she was the humble, willing, brave, and faithful mother of God with us. No one will ever separate her from Messiah and his sheep whom she loves.

Here is that passage in Revelation 12:1-6

    A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.

To assert that this IS specifically speaking of Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ, you have to accept what this passage and the rest says and the implications behind them. The woman in this passage, "cried out in pain as she was about to give birth". If this is indeed Mary, and ONLY Mary, then Roman Catholic "doctors" of the church were wrong when they insisted that Mary experienced NO pain when she gave birth to Jesus and that she remained physically a virgin, because baby Jesus passed through her birth canal like light. Additionally, and importantly, birth pains are a consequence of the sin nature as God told Eve, “I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children." (Gen. 3:16). So, is this Mary? Then you can't claim she didn't experience pain because she was without sin.

The woman of Revelation 12 is the nation of Israel. This woman, also, it is said of in Rev. 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman and went off to make war with the rest of her offspring.” If this is Mary, are you prepared to say that the Virgin Mary had other children? I believe it is plainly speaking of Israel as the "woman clothed with the sun and on her head a crown of twelve stars", these represent the nation of Israel's twelve tribes. The same imagery of the moon, stars, etc., can be seen in Genesis 37:5-10, which is a reference again to Israel. And it is out of the Jewish nation Israel the Messiah will be born.

1,048 posted on 04/10/2014 9:26:50 PM PDT by boatbums (Simul justis et peccator.)
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To: boatbums
To assert that this IS specifically speaking of Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ, you have to accept what this passage and the rest says and the implications behind them.

By your reasoning and interpretation of Rev 12, of whom does Isaiah speak here ?

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The Lord hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me; And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

Israel only gave birth to Messiah through Miriam. You can never separate her from Israel. She is Israel in the purity, holiness, faithfulness, and obedience God wanted from Israel. She is the Virgin of Israel, the very Israel of God, and she is in Revelation 12.

1,084 posted on 04/11/2014 4:35:19 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: boatbums

How DARE you use Catholic teaching against Catholic teaching!!


1,089 posted on 04/11/2014 4:41:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums

Thank you for posting that.


1,095 posted on 04/11/2014 4:52:47 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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