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Is this the Holy Grail?
The Deacon's Bench ^ | April 1, 2014 | Deacon Greg Kandra

Posted on 04/01/2014 11:54:00 AM PDT by NYer

Just in time for Easter, from The New York Daily News:

Two historians claim the search for the Holy Grail is over.

The famous cup used by Jesus Christ during the Last Supper was identified in a book written by Margarita Torres Jose Manuel Ortega del Rio, titled “Kings of the Grail” and published last week, as the jewel-encrusted goblet on display at the San Isidro Basilica in the northwestern Spanish city of Leon.

News of the discovery caused masses of people to flock to the historic church to view the precious chalice – forcing the operators of the museum to pull the piece from the exhibit, according to French news agency Agence France-Presse.

The museum’s director told AFP that they were looking for space large enough to accommodate the crowds.

“It was in a very small room where it was not possible to admire it to the full,” Raquel Jaen told the agency.

There are more than 200 golden cups that have been thought to be the one used during the Last Supper, but Torres and del Rio identified the Spanish goblet during a three-year investigation that started with a piece of Egyptian parchment found at the University of Al-Azhar in Cairo, the agency reported.

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To: laweeks; D-fendr

I was just using the line from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.


21 posted on 04/01/2014 12:12:54 PM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: NYer

Is it dishwasher safe...


22 posted on 04/01/2014 12:12:58 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: NYer

And I thought I was going to come in here and be all clever and make an Indiana Jones/Last Crusade comment. But you all beat me to it. Well played, freepers, well played. You chose wisely.


23 posted on 04/01/2014 12:22:13 PM PDT by alphadoggie
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To: Resolute Conservative

Thanks...now I can’t get “Red Solo Cup...” out of my head.


24 posted on 04/01/2014 12:23:07 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: cotton1706

“That is not the cup of a carpenter!”

Exactly. I pictured a red Solo.


25 posted on 04/01/2014 12:26:47 PM PDT by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: TexasRepublic

26 posted on 04/01/2014 12:27:03 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

Or the Ark of the Covenant.


27 posted on 04/01/2014 12:27:21 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

That pic is from Raiders of the Lost Ark. The cup of Christ had to do w the 3rd movie:


28 posted on 04/01/2014 12:28:28 PM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: NYer

It could be. The medieval gold trimming and the jewels were added afterward. Underneath, you can see that it’s just a plain ceramic chalice, of the kind used at the time of Jesus.


29 posted on 04/01/2014 12:29:39 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: cotton1706

All note:

The story circulating is that through authentication methods, it is expected that the treasured cup was adorned long after Jesus used it at “The Last Supper.”

Pros and Cons of the claim:

It is plausible that someone would have recognized the significance of saving things Jesus used, especially so close to his death and resurrection. He was at the peak of his celebrity status with the common Jews of the time. This is why the “Shroud of Turin” still garners so much attention (whether real or not). Also, Jesus made his place with the average folks of the time and it can be expected that there would be little more fanfare or luxuries for a Passover Meal that Jesus partook in than others. It is likely that “the best china” was used (so to speak). But a chalice laced in gold and jewels would likely not have been owned by the host of the event.

On the flip side, because of the war and destruction over the years, many expected artifacts that should have been saved from Jesus’ time here. As I said, he was famous and infamous (depending on your perspective) but certainly very well known. The story suggests that Muslim’s dating back to some conquest acquired the cup and adorned it because of the importance to Christians in order to offer it up as a gift. My problem here is that there was little preserved of the time during the turmoil in the region. Who is to say that a warrior would have the idea to save an ordinary chalice because the victor of a warring religion once drank from it. Like the temple, I would expect it would be lost in history.

I don’t know one way or another. But there are no soul saving qualities in an old cup. Fun to consider, however.


30 posted on 04/01/2014 12:31:01 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Red Solo cup.

It’s what I use at my Passover.


31 posted on 04/01/2014 12:31:16 PM PDT by SpinnerWebb (IN-SAPORIBVS-SICVT-PVLLVM)
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To: Carpe Cerevisi
We know what happened the last time someone messed with the holy grail.

Try "Arc of the Covenant"! That was a Moses possession. Get your Indiana Jones references straight! Geez. LOL

32 posted on 04/01/2014 12:33:25 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: D-fendr

When he came to be sacrificed his glory was veiled.
The cup would indeed have been the cup of a Carpenter.
Scam artists for thousands of years have overlooked the implications of scripture.


33 posted on 04/01/2014 12:36:35 PM PDT by MrEdd (vHeck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: DownInFlames
Yup, from "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade"

34 posted on 04/01/2014 12:36:52 PM PDT by Bobalu (Four Cokes And A Fried Chicken)
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To: a fool in paradise
Earlier on FR, Historians claim to have recovered Holy Grail. Thanks afip.

35 posted on 04/01/2014 12:44:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Obama is now making Jimmy Carter look like Attila the Hun. /focus/news/3138768/posts)
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To: NYer

Interesting. I’ve never heard of this before. However, my faith will neither be strenghtened nor weakened by this story and item.


36 posted on 04/01/2014 12:45:16 PM PDT by GreyFriar ( Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: NYer

Oh, yeah, something in use in first century Judea is going to say “GRAIL” on it’s base.


37 posted on 04/01/2014 1:04:45 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("He will swallow up death forever")
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To: Lee N. Field

That tiny mark on the bottom that says Made In China makes it more authentic


38 posted on 04/01/2014 1:07:39 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GreyFriar

There are many — now, and down through the centuries — who consider objects important to their worship and devotion to Jesus Christ. I am not one of them. The whole purpose of Christ, and His Gospel, is to restore to us boldness, access and confidence in how we relate to God Himself, not to objects.


39 posted on 04/01/2014 1:14:15 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great -- until it happens to YOU..)
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To: Mr. K
is no one reading the article?

No ... no one is reading the article. They are stuck on the bling that surrounds the cup.

40 posted on 04/01/2014 1:20:10 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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