Surpassing Sola Scriptura

Answering Protestants ^ | 31 March 2014 | Matthew Olson

[DManA]

First, the Catholic Church judged him and found him severely wanted and so excommunicated him.

And Luther drank judgement on himself - all by himself.

Right. The Roman church Judges. Riiiiiight.

[MamaB]

Baloney.

[Iscool]

Information is presented. How you take it tells us a lot about yourself, right?

Aside from the condescending arrogance you are correct...And it tells me that DManA is a bible believing Christian who knows enough scripture to not be taken in and be deceived by false teachers who attempt to usurp the authority of God...

It also tells us a lot about the person who presents the false information and those who defend it...

[LurkingSince'98]

Apostles didn’t mention it - see the Third Council of Ephesus - circa 431AD

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05491a.htm

AMDG

[CynicalBear]

>>Jesus Said that the Catholic Church would prevail against the gates of hell until the end of Time<<

Please show where Jesus said that? While you are at it, please show from the Greek text where the word “church” as the Catholics use it is found.

[BipolarBob]

No you didn't say them. But the inference was that because there was a lack of division in the Catholic Church that that was supposed to mean something.

[aposiopetic]

if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth. 1 Tim 3:15

[Just mythoughts]

The Protestants removed 7 Books from the Old Testament 15 Centuries Later.. isn’t that wrong?

'What difference does it make'? My Catholic in-laws tell me that the Old Testament is nothing more than allegory. Except where Rome could insert Mary in place of whom the original had named.

Jesus NEVER used the words Catholic Church....

[LurkingSince'98]

you are really funny - when you are a member of a Church you abide by its rules not your own - if you don’t like it you pick yup your marbles and leave - Exactly what Luther did.

So the Catholic Church EXCOMMUNICATED him - get it?

AMDG

[Salvation]

Why do you say I present false information when the Catholic Church was there long before Luther?

[BipolarBob]

Okay. Now if we just agree on what and where God’s household is we’ll be okey dokey.

[CynicalBear]

>>I asked for a quote where is says “the Bible alone” he gave me pablum.<<

“But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” Galatians 1:8-9

Please show another provable source of what the apostles taught other then what we have in scripture.

[aposiopetic]

Fair enough.

[matthewrobertolson]

On Peter and the keys: LINK

Why don't present day Popes and Bishops have the same gifts as the original Apostles if there was some kind of succession?

"The parallel between Peter and the rest of the Apostles on the one hand, and between the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops on the other hand, does not imply the transmission of the Apostles’ extraordinary power to their successors; nor does it imply, as is obvious, equality between the head of the College and its members, but only a proportionality between the first relationship (Peter-Apostles) and the second (Pope-bishops)." [LINK]

[philly-d-kidder]

St Iraenius of Antioch was recruited by John The Apostle and made 3 of 5 pilgrimages with Peter...

Early Church Fathers They all wrote of the Real Presence...of Jesus in the Eucharist St Athanasius St John Chrystonom.. The New testament is the New Covenant the Only Covenant was the TRUE Presence in the Eucharist.You Must EAT my Body & Drink my Blood if you want Eternal life.
Every Book Chosen for the New Testament contributed in some manner to the Holy Eucharistic Liturgy.The early Church fathers writing always supported the writings of the apostles if they contradicted they were not included as Catholic Tradition.

You can read how they went out with Apostles were Trained in an evangelizing Bootcamp. the Towns they Visited they talked about writings of Apostles they Taught the Mostly Illiterate followers The OUR FATHER, the ten Commandments and then they performed the Eucharistic Liturgy as Christ performed it in the Upper room. offering bread and wine. This finally formalized by St Justin martyr in AD 128 this is the Mass we celebrate worldwide today!

Sola Scriptura wasn’t even a Possibility until 4th Century were they all Blasphemers?

[DManA]

Typical Roman misuse of Scripture. You cannot take an isolated verse and prove anything.

eg. Matthew 16:18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

[LurkingSince'98]

sorry Cyn,

I’m still stuck on my question to him “for a quote where it says “the Bible alone”?

How about you: where does it say in the Bible “the Bible alone”???

AMDG

[BipolarBob]

No no no. Don’t give me a link just tell me where the keys are. And how many? Do you know?

[aposiopetic]

Please show another provable source of what the apostles taught other then what we have in scripture.

You raise a really good question.

A question of similar importance is: show another provable source of what Scripture really consists of other than what the (Catholic) church has preserved and taught.

[CynicalBear]

>>Apostles didn’t mention it -<<

“But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” Galatians 1:8-9