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To: BipolarBob
On Peter and the keys: LINK

Why don't present day Popes and Bishops have the same gifts as the original Apostles if there was some kind of succession?

"The parallel between Peter and the rest of the Apostles on the one hand, and between the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops on the other hand, does not imply the transmission of the Apostles’ extraordinary power to their successors; nor does it imply, as is obvious, equality between the head of the College and its members, but only a proportionality between the first relationship (Peter-Apostles) and the second (Pope-bishops)." [LINK]
94 posted on 03/31/2014 7:49:29 PM PDT by matthewrobertolson
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To: matthewrobertolson

No no no. Don’t give me a link just tell me where the keys are. And how many? Do you know?


98 posted on 03/31/2014 7:52:36 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: matthewrobertolson
"The parallel between Peter and the rest of the Apostles on the one hand, and between the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops on the other hand, does not imply the transmission of the Apostles’ extraordinary power to their successors;

Then they are not actual apostles, as they fail of the requirements of personal discipleship, and degree of supernatural attestation, and of virtue:

Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, (Acts 1:21)

Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord? (1 Corinthians 9:1)

But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. (Galatians 1:11-12)

Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds. (2 Corinthians 12:12)

Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ. (Romans 15:19)

Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them. (Acts 5:15)

But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses, In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings; By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned, By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left, (2 Corinthians 6:4-7)

And which enabled the unity of the NT church, in contrast to today.

And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. (Acts 2:43)

And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon's porch. (Acts 5:12)

261 posted on 04/01/2014 1:42:24 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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