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Could a Christian support abortion
opinion/mine | March 20 2014 | FriendofGeorge

Posted on 03/20/2014 9:14:57 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge

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To: Kharis13

Thanks

I order 1000 miniature Bibles at a time entitled VERSES OF ASSURANCE COMFORT AND SALVATION. I hand them out and leave them in public places, they each have a sinners prayer of repentance, and explain the Gospel. Very attractive little Bibles, cost about 8 cents a copy.

This is something anybody can do, leave them everywhere I go, Dr`s offices, supermarkets, takes basically zero effort

I do my charity in secret as a rule, but because you mentioned sharing the Gospel, its very easy.

One on one is great but even just leaving them in a waiting room for people to just come across.

If anybody feels not up to going one on one with people, this is a very good way, great to leave in coffee shop etc, anywhere


61 posted on 03/20/2014 3:31:45 PM PDT by Friendofgeorge (Sarah Palin 2016 OR BUST)
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To: ansel12

Agreed...I like (forgive me, but I think the guys name is something like) Charles Land, great guy, I believe he is a leader of sorts in the Southern Baptist Church, hope I have it right, love the guy

I have been to some great Baptist Churches


62 posted on 03/20/2014 3:35:53 PM PDT by Friendofgeorge (Sarah Palin 2016 OR BUST)
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To: Friendofgeorge
Everything happening now is built on the foundation of the sixties and seventies that made politicians think heading in this direction was inevitable. Think back, the South was solidly democrat long after the democrat party had ceased to represent anything the majority of Southerners supported.

Bringing home the bacon bought and paid for what we have now and it was the parents of the Boomers who ate the bacon and helped undermine the foundation this country was built on.

There's more than enough guilt to go around and narrowing it down to whichever groups stay stupid longest does nothing but obscure the real problem. The real problem is a generation of selfish people who, no matter what Faith they espouse, don't give a damn what sort of society they leave the children they didn't abort or avoid.

Reagan was right, we're always only one generation away from losing out freedom and we're suffering through the a generation that for the most part doesn't want to be bothered with such things. It's the, "I got mine, screw you" peace and love generation.

Whether we survive as a free society or not depends on how tough the next couple of generations are.

63 posted on 03/20/2014 3:43:31 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Friendofgeorge

Mentioning voting and religion.

Something that all Christians need to start taking a stand on, is a new threat from the left, libertarians.

If you get off the religion page and visit the libertarian threads, you will see libertarians working to isolate and cut-off the faithful and social conservatives, the very foundation of conservatism and traditional Americanism.

The most sinister method of all is when the FR libertarians do it while preaching God, and using religious arguments for not fighting politically for pro-life Conservative candidates and party politics, and party platform.


64 posted on 03/20/2014 3:58:15 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12
" . . . seem unpopular among some here."

Still more predictable misstatement of fact. I personally like nearly all the SBC folks I know and consider them to be better Christians than the vast majority of Protestant volk. I just don't have any illusions about them to suit someones propaganda machine any more than I have any illusions about roughly 75% of so called Catholics being Cafeteria Catholics at best.

Playing finger pointing games is part and parcel of Satan's divide and conquer strategy which is why I so frequently confront those to toss around bogus statistics or otherwise try to pretend a single group is at fault for the totally corrupt society and the beyond corrupt people "leading" it in politics.

have just a lovely day

65 posted on 03/20/2014 4:19:57 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin

I’m still waiting for your evidence of a first misstatement of fact, so far that has been your territory, and you just did it again in yet another personal attack.

Why all this angry sounding posting and attacking? What are you seeing in my pro-life posts that is causing this reaction?

Our second largest denomination is a God send to our pro-life politics, not a curse, or something to be condemned or denigrated.


66 posted on 03/20/2014 4:26:00 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Friendofgeorge

I am not taking issue with you or anything that you have said. I was just noting that I personally have known some very liberal people whose view of Christianity does not match the scriptures, but they insist that G-d changes with the times, as it were. That is a mindset that we, as Christians, have to fight.


67 posted on 03/20/2014 4:58:46 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: ansel12
"I’m still waiting for your evidence of a first misstatement of fact,"

Who paid for the study?

Was the definition of "Pro-Life" clearly spelled out as being against all abortion so every respondent was aware of that definition and agreed with that definition if they called them-self "Pro-Life"?

What was the sample size?

Was the survey taken in a single geographic area?

How large an area?

Over what period of time?

How were respondents chosen?

Were respondents a randomly selected subset of the whole set of "the second largest denomination" or carefully selected subset of the whole set of that same group?

Did respondents self select or were they randomly selected with a large enough sample set to ensure a reasonable number of respondents?

Who audited the survey to ensure responses weren't thrown away?

It's bogus, bogus, bogus, as are the majority of the "statistics" people with a clear agenda gin up or create from whole cloth.

Anger? LOL, what a game player, like the twits who say anyone who doesn't agree with them is "venting" or "ranting ". Responding to constant slander based on untruths and distortions isn't anger, it's pointing out deliberate distortions of the twit posting the slander. My bet would be such slander flows from the Father of Lies since it's part of an obvious desire to never let any conversation pass without trying to sow division. There's no other reason for it .

Whenever a half dozen people who attend different churches are discussing something and agreeing, BINGO, bogus statistic man12 shows up with garbage to spew.

68 posted on 03/20/2014 5:45:06 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: ansel12

“Apathy” is more than just giving a pro life speech one in a while. It also includes praying out side of an abortion clinic

Or if you feel so inclined why don’t you call this number 304.558.2000 and ask Governor Tomblin to sign the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act, House Bill 4588 even though you are not a native of West Virginia at least you are pro life and put your money where your mouth is.


69 posted on 03/20/2014 5:47:38 PM PDT by Morgana (Wagglebee please come home we miss you!)
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To: Rashputin

I’m still waiting for your evidence of a misstated fact.

Angry rants aren’t useful and they sure aren’t called for, and it doesn’t change the facts posted.

I’m really curious about what has you going as you are, pro-life voting is a good thing, not bad.


70 posted on 03/20/2014 5:59:24 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Morgana

Huh? Denominations give a speech every once in while?

When I posted “As we can see, the “apathy” charge only applies to some denominations, not all.” I was posting on some denominations voting pro-life, while other denominations vote pro-abortion.


71 posted on 03/20/2014 6:02:51 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

Yea I know of some of those denominations that vote pro choice. They do more than just vote that way, they preach that way too or have you not read my threads? “Abortion is a Sacrament”? Remember that one? ICK! I wanted to barf.

Call Gov Tomblin anyway cause WV needs him to sign that House Bill. I can’t get any cooperation from any of these denominations because Charlestion is so *$%) Liberal.


72 posted on 03/20/2014 6:16:46 PM PDT by Morgana (Wagglebee please come home we miss you!)
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To: Army Air Corps

MY apologies, I thought you were saying you knew people that spoke as I, but were really pious/self righteous....ie (hypocritical concern with virtue)

And that would have been OK BTW because you do not know me,basically what was said of me at the forums I mentioned

But I see I took it wrong way

BTW I have mentioned this type of thing on the general forum threads from time to time, when subjects arose and was beaten up pretty badly by many here over the years, but my first venture really outside of breaking news threads

And for sure I dont expect everybody to always agree with me


73 posted on 03/20/2014 6:54:59 PM PDT by Friendofgeorge (Sarah Palin 2016 OR BUST)
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To: Friendofgeorge

No worries, FRiend. No blood, no foul.


74 posted on 03/20/2014 6:59:42 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: ansel12

There`s another reason yet, very good! Social Conservatives have always voted this way, but was disturbing last couple elections to hear so many say stuff like....yes normally that`s the case but the economy is so bad etc that social issues are not that important.

I heard even some of my favorite people spouting that line, was very trouble by it.

Then we had people like Rick Warren trying to cloud the issue back prior to Obama first term, saying stuff like....I am pro life but

I am pro life but, that was something Warren said an awful lot prior to Obama first term. He also was heard to say an awful lot that abortion was not the only issue

I get myself into trouble when I say any unkind things about Rick Warren, but I saw him as someone that was working against the Christian Social Conservative movement.

While people like Tony Perkins etc were working hard to have the next supreme court picks from a hopefully Christian (at least hopefully Conservative) President, Rick Warren is going around saying abortion is not the only issue

That was not helpful. Now Warren says he is unhappy with Obama, OK he knew what he stood for before, for crying out loud


75 posted on 03/20/2014 7:09:16 PM PDT by Friendofgeorge (Sarah Palin 2016 OR BUST)
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To: Friendofgeorge

Maybe the naming of so many individuals, naturally leads to people missing your bigger point and getting diverted into defending one or more of the people that you name, because they like them, or think you misinterpret them, or whatever.


76 posted on 03/20/2014 7:16:35 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

Right, but I think I only mentioned Rick and Tony. If you recall Rick had a forum prior to the election that was televised. He allowed the majority of the seats to go to liberals that boooed etc at times

He, Rick Warren could have been more helpful to the cause, but he clouded the issues for some, said he was undecided even though he knew Obama was pro abortion anti Christian etc

He had a lot of influence, and at the very least he purposely gave the impression that it was OK for Christians to vote for Obama

I will leave it there, I understand Rick is doing some good things now, he regrets his support now for Obama apparently, but its very sad...I mean I knew, you knew, we all knew about Obama, but apparently not Rick


77 posted on 03/20/2014 7:22:45 PM PDT by Friendofgeorge (Sarah Palin 2016 OR BUST)
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To: Morgana
". . . Charleston is so *$%) Liberal."

That's something that has always amazed me. Most of the State is conservative or very conservative and the liberal crowd has always gotten the upper hand in Charleston and even national elections. I sort of thought it was all about history and the UMW but with Barry destroying the coal industry, Charleston doesn't bat an eye.

I have a good many cousins up in that neck of the woods. In WVA this year and at a mine in a neighboring State the next. They move to wherever the electricians and machinery operators are getting the most money one year to the next.

78 posted on 03/20/2014 7:26:32 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin; ansel12; GeronL

“That’s something that has always amazed me. Most of the State is conservative or very conservative”

This is true! Most of the state is. However the closer one gets to Charleston, more or less the Capitol the more liberal people get. It has infected the churches here too. Don’t believe me? I challenge the two of you come come put pro life voting information on people’s cars outside of churches and just see how fast the ushers come from the churches and in some cases curse us out! In some cases the information was put on cars, went to next church down the road, on the way back noticed all the information placed on cars at first church had been removed. Mind you the stuff placed was a list of every person: democrat, republican or third party who is pro life so one knows who to vote for.

In fact it is so bad that one church in Charleston, I won’t name names on this one but we all know which one it is helped get one of the abortion clinics started. Yea! Back in the late 70’s and 80’s they were helping women obtain abortions.


79 posted on 03/20/2014 9:01:09 PM PDT by Morgana (Wagglebee please come home we miss you!)
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To: editor-surveyor

Please name if possible at all, an Obstetician that is now an abortionist.

States like Missouri and Mississippi still only have 1 clinic. There are 811 abortionists in the USA per this webpage: http://abortiondocs.org/clinic/surgical/373/jackson-jackson-womens-health-org/ Way too many but we will watch these figures.

“The total number of surgical abortion clinics left in the U.S. is now 582. This represents an impressive 12% net decrease in surgical abortion clinics in 2013 alone, and a 73% drop from a high in 1991 of 2,176.”

http://www.operationrescue.org/archives/death-throes-of-the-death-industry-a-record-87-surgical-abortion-clinics-close-in-2013/

Be nice to see some backup to what you say. I know some hospitals might close if they are forced to conduct abortions. That has been in the news.


80 posted on 03/20/2014 9:09:12 PM PDT by BeadCounter (morning glory evening grace)
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