Posted on 03/19/2014 8:19:20 PM PDT by ealgeone
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SECOND EDITION
PART ONE THE PROFESSION OF FAITH SECTION TWO THE PROFESSION OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH
CHAPTER THREE I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY SPIRIT
ARTICLE 9 "I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH"
Paragraph 6. Mary - Mother of Christ, Mother of the Church
963 Since the Virgin Mary's role in the mystery of Christ and the Spirit has been treated, it is fitting now to consider her place in the mystery of the Church. "The Virgin Mary . . . is acknowledged and honored as being truly the Mother of God and of the redeemer. . . . She is 'clearly the mother of the members of Christ' . . . since she has by her charity joined in bringing about the birth of believers in the Church, who are members of its head."502 "Mary, Mother of Christ, Mother of the Church."503
I’m not a protestant either...I am born again Christian who follow Jesus Christ.
Then prove it. I keep records, but see no place where you actually answered that, but i do see your tactics in avoiding things.
Biblical honor, not thinking of or ascribing things above that which is written. (1 Corinthians 4:6)
That is a sad truth, and not what Jesus asked his disciples to do. Miriam is the most inspiring woman in all HiStory. She is the Virgin of Israel and all her holiness comes from God and points to God. Anyone indwelt by the Spirit of God will love and honor her. Anyone would be blessed to call her mother, or to be called son by her. Consider the special relationship Miriam, Mary if you prefer (As long as you love her), has with her son the Messiah, Israel, and his Ecclesia/Church. You cannot separate her from Revelation 12. Israel did not give birth to Messiah except through Miriam. God protected her from the adversary and it is not in congruent with Scripture if God chose to take her into heaven similar to how He took Elijah or Enoch. We cannot even be certain God did not take Moses, given his appearance with Elijah on the mountain with Messiah. And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home. And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
” A study of the word Nicolaitans shows it to mean the bishops of the assemblies gained a victory (Nico) or conquest over the Laiton or the laity.”
Actually, no. The Nicolaitans were most likely followers of someone named Nicholaus (see Acts 6:5) and his name can just as easily mean “victory OF the people” as “victorious over people”.
This is a much more sensible interpretation: http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/revelation-solving-the-mystery-of-the-nicolaitans
“No one ever denied Mary was called Mother of my Lord.”
Is the Lord God? The answer is yes. Thus, Mary is the mother of GOD. It’s just that simple.
Every Protestant anti-Catholic bigot
we sure don't play nice do we? you can go back to your room now.
“Those who seek truth know how that turned out for him.”
Yep, for he DENIED THAT HE WAS A SINNER. I don’t. I just deny that I am a Protestant. And I am not a Protestant. And I thank God for saving me from that fate.
“I’m not a protestant either...I am born again Christian who follow Jesus Christ.”
If you believe in sola fide and sola scriptura you’re a Protestant no matter how often you deny it. Truth is truth.
When were the Gospels and epistles penned and delivered to the churches addressed?
I think the early epistles of such bishops as Polycarp shows the command of the NT Scriptures as we know them:
17 of 27 NT books quoted here:
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0136.htm
We also know from the Gospels the OT texts were in wide use through Synagogues in Judea, Galilee, and in Acts with the diaspora Jews (Acts 17 Bereans).
Then we have Jesus Christ commanding and exhorting His disciples in Luke 24:
Luke 24:45-49 NABRE
Then he opened their minds to understand the scriptures. And he said to them, “Thus it is written that the Messiah would suffer and rise from the dead on the third day and that repentance, for the forgiveness of sins, would be preached in his name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things. And [behold] I am sending the promise of my Father upon you; but stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”(NABRE)
So the “scriptures” came much later is not accurate. Such academics and scholars who promote such also ascribe to late 19th century liberal theology. In that such theologians asserted the Gospels and epistles were not written by the apostles but much later by early church fathers. Which 20th century archeological finds proved false.
I thank God that Jesus is constantly praying for me.
I thank God that I can directly access Jesus anytime of the day or night.
I thank God that we have and Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous, who is the propitiation for our sins.
I thank Jesus that if I confess my sins He is faithful and righteous to forgive my sins and to cleanse me from all unrighteousness. All Biblically based. Not on man-made tradition.
“we sure don’t play nice do we? you can go back to your room now.”
“Nice” is a late medieval Anglo-French word meaning “foolish” or “silly” or “dumb”. Really. Look it up. I have no reason to be “nice”. And I don’t pretend charity doesn’t demand an occasional slap to the head for the morons and bigots either. Christ called the Pharisees vipers. Paul called even his beloved Galatians “foolish” and “bewitched”. I see no reason not to be brutally honest with anti-Catholic bigots.
Mark 12:9 What shall therefore the lord (Kyriou) of the vineyard do? he will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others.
Luke 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord (Kyriou) should come to me?
Matthew 25:18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's (kyriou) money.
Luke 16:5 So he called every one of his lord's (kyriou) debtors unto him, and said unto the first, How much owest thou unto my lord?
Definition: lord, master, sir; the Lord.
“So the “scriptures” came much later is not accurate.”
Are you sure that’s what rcofdayton meant? I don’t think he was saying they were written “much later” although clearly years later is accurate. I think he is saying that the Bible wasn’t gathered into one book - especially one accessible to everyone - until much, much later.
But do you thank God you are not like the other guy? I think you know the difference.
“Definition: lord, master, sir; the Lord.”
And God. Strong’s Concordance and Dictionary = “or a NT translation of the Hebrew 151 ‘LORD’ or 3378 ‘LORD,’ that is ‘Yahweh,’ the proper name of God in the OT.”
If you believe you can lose your faith, how? You're saying your sins are so great Jesus' death on the cross didn't forgive them??
If you believe you "have to do something" other than have faith in Christ, what is it you must do?
How much of it do you have to do?
Do works get you into Heaven? Even though Paul called them filthy rags to be discarded?
How do you know when you've done enough...or even the right things for that matter?
What if you don't confess your sins to a priest before you die? Do you go to Heaven or Hell?
If not the Bible, which is given to us by the Holy Spirit, how do you trust a man-made book not inspired by the Holy Spirit? To my knowledge no other book makes that claim.
How is that any different than Mormons who rely on the Book of Mormon in addition to the Bible?
I've asked these questions on this blog many times and no one will answer.
“But do you thank God you are not like the other guy?”
I said: I thank God for His grace and loving-kindness that spared me, a sinner, from falling into the filth of Protestant heresy and sectarianism.
I mentioned no “other guy” there. Your comparison of me to the Pharisee was completely wrong.
Here's Dr. Michael Heiser's presentation/lecture of The Jewish Trinity: How the Old Testament Reveals the Christian Godhead which is looking at the Old Testament alone specifically with the idea of [answering] "can we look at only the Old Testament and get the idea of the Christian Godhead?"
please share your wisdom with us.
If you believe in anything other than God's Word....what are you believing in?
If you believe you can lose your faith, how? Are you saying your sins are so great Jesus' death on the cross didn't forgive them?? past, present and future??
If you believe you "have to do something" other than have faith in Christ, what is it you must do?
How much of it do you have to do?
Do works get you into Heaven? Even though Paul called them filthy rags to be discarded?
How do you know when you've done enough...or even the right things for that matter?
What if you don't confess your sins to a priest before you die? Do you go to Heaven or Hell?
If not the Bible, which is given to us by the Holy Spirit, how do you trust a man-made book not inspired by the Holy Spirit? To my knowledge no other book makes that claim.
How is that any different than Mormons who rely on the Book of Mormon in addition to the Bible?
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