Posted on 03/19/2014 1:32:10 PM PDT by rwa265
It doesn't square away with what the Pope said in this case. Guess we're gonna agree to disagree on this.
As to my political leanings....let's just say I'm to the right of Reagan.
I could ask the same of you.
I will assume your question is sincere.
You need to do exactly the three things I pointed out priest or not.
1) you must know and acknowledge his sins in detail by a detailed examination-of-conscience,
2) you must have a ‘firm-purpose-of-amendment’ agreeing to sin no more as much is humanly possible, and
3) you must make an ‘act-of-contrition’ similar to this prayer:
“On my God, I am heartily sorry for having offended Thee, because I dread the loss of heaven and the pains of hell, but most of all because I have offended Thee , oh my God, who are all Good and deserving of all my love. I firmly resolve with the help of they Grace to confess my sins, to do penance and to amend my life. Amen”
IF the person is properly disposed to properly perform the three steps above and makes what is called “A Perfect Act of Contrition” by essentially forgetting about ‘the loss of heaven and the pains of hell’ but purely because their sins have Offended the Father, then they may have their sins forgiven by God - we don’t know because we are not Him.
BTW, I have had this discussion with very faithful protestants who have agreed that these steps would likely save a sincere sinner.
again if you are sincerely interested you could read this link and should understand the position of the Church essentially unchanged since the Didache from the first century.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11618c.htm
the Didache: http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0714.htm
AMDG
First, your using a second hand source the learned and most accurate Fulcher of Chartres) and as far as I know uncorroborated by any other source. wow you accept any other single source - was good old Filcher divinely??? inspired was he speaking ex-cathedra???
Second, it doesn’t matter what a any Pope says if he is not speaking ex-cathedra its like Obummer picking brackets.
all the Dems I know just quote source after source signifying nothing.
AMDG
So you’re saying his offer of immediate remissions of sins wasn’t valid?
I understand based on the Bible the requirement for forgiveness of sins and salvation.
And I have asked and believe Christ died for me as a one time offering for all my sins...past, present and future. I confess my sins to Him on an ongoing basis to maintain a proper relationship with Him.
listen I don’t know what your game is but:
1) you make a statement “his offer of immediate remissions of sins wasn’t valid?” which quotes a version of events unknown and uncorroborated.
2) you quote the vaunted ‘Filcher of Chartes’ and don’t provide the LINK to the ORIGINAL SOURCE DOCUMENT i.e. from whence you got your quote.
3) I make a few statements, which I am certain are true and correct and I provide links to corroborate my assertions, which you obviously have not read.
You need to go to protestant apologist school a little more because you just ain’t cuttin’ it.
GOODBYE.
For the Greater Glory of God
WOW look at all that multi million dollar land Thomas S Monson owns..
Corporation sole...
Lots of tithing money went into the purchase of those 1,000s of acres..
and they wouldn’t let him prove he hasn’t defrauded any person in the UK or the UK government..
Meanwhile he’s got that evil black mark against him..
and also meanwhile Tom Phillips with his 2nd anointing and no evil black mark will still be a king and a good in the celestial kingdom..
the 2nd anointing is like dead dunking..it cant be reversed..
Tom Phillips cannot be excommunicated and unless he murders someone he can stay out of the Mormon religious services and not pay one more penny of tithing..
and hes still going to go to the celestial kingdom where most of the devoted Mormons in these threads are not allowed to go..
Just imagine that !!!
Vindication city !!!
just one more thing you said:
“I confess my sins to Him” which is wrong and anti-scriptural.
The particular quote is:
James 5:16
English Standard Version (ESV)
16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working.
from the Didache:
But every Lord’s day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure.
confessing your sins to God is a protestant twisting of Scripture
farewell
AMDG
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
theres something also in the Bible about going into your closet and praying in secret to God ..
but SHHHHH
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
theres something also in the Bible about going into your closet and praying in secret to God ..
but SHHHHH
But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. Matthew 6:6
Really?
Do you mean Jesus didn't really mean to teach that?
Who knew?
Luke 11:1-4 Now Jesus was praying in a certain place, and when he finished, one of his disciples said to him, “Lord, teach us to pray, as John taught his disciples.” And he said to them, “When you pray, say: “Father, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come. Give us each day our daily bread, and forgive us our sins, for we ourselves forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation.”
Finish the quote: AFSD
Wow. Just saw this. It will take some time, but I will deal with this, as able. Thank you for posting it.
The LORD Jesus Christ speaking...
“But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
This, then, is how you should pray: “’Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us today our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors....” Matthew 6:6-12
Did you see that ???
Jesus tells us to ask God for forgiveness for our sins in private..
“when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. ....This, then, is how you should pray:..forgive us our debts.” Matthew 6, 9, 12
High five...
GMTA = Great minds think alike.
Sorry, I thought pretty much every knew what it meant.
Here’s a link to the Lexicon to help you from now on.
This is the most recent one I could find.
The 2009 FreeRepublic Lexicon (Lingo, Dictionary, Lore Handbook) - UPDATE TIME!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2341085/posts
James 5:16
English Standard Version (ESV)
16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working.
from the Didache:
But every Lord’s day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure.
confessing your sins to God is a protestant twisting of Scripture
James 5:16
English Standard Version (ESV)
16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working.
from the Didache:
But every Lord’s day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure.
confessing your sins to God is a protestant twisting of Scripture
James 5:16
English Standard Version (ESV)
16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working.
from the Didache:
But every Lord’s day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure.
confessing your sins to God is a protestant twisting of Scripture
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