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To: knarf
Again from the Gospel of John -- the leadership of Peter:

John 21:15-19 -- it is in your Bible isn't it? Why don't you believe these things?

John, chapter 21

 

Jesus and Peter.*

15When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter,* “Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?”* He said to him, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” He said to him, “Feed my lambs.”

16He then said to him a second time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” He said to him, “Tend my sheep.”

17He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” Peter was distressed that he had said to him a third time, “Do you love me?” and he said to him, “Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you.” [Jesus] said to him, “Feed my sheep.i

18* Amen, amen, I say to you,j when you were younger, you used to dress yourself and go where you wanted; but when you grow old, you will stretch out your hands, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go.”

19He said this signifying by what kind of death he would glorify God. And when he had said this, he said to him, “Follow me.”k


45 posted on 03/07/2014 5:48:07 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
Again from the Gospel of John -- the leadership of Peter:

That's ignorant...The other apostles sent your supposed leader on a mission journey...Guess he wasn't too much of a leader, was he...

49 posted on 03/07/2014 7:31:57 PM PST by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: Salvation
John 20:30-31-- it is in your Bible isn't it? Why don't you believe these things?
50 posted on 03/07/2014 7:40:57 PM PST by xone
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To: Salvation; knarf
Again from the Gospel of John -- the leadership of Peter: John 21:15-19 -- it is in your Bible isn't it? Why don't you believe these things?

This is typical RC egregious extrapolation, as neither the apostolic foundation or Peter's leadership does not translate into an perpetuated Petrine papacy, with the whole church looking to Peter and successors as its infallible head. Instead, both Peter and the apostles are contrary to Rome.

Nowhere in Scripture do we see an apostolic successor except for Judas which was to maintain the number of the 12, (Rv. 21:14) and which was by the non-political means of casting lots. (Acts 1:15ff) And rather than supporting apostolic succession, the Holy Spirit never mentions any successor for the apostle James who was martyred (Acts 12:1,2)

Peter is not confirmed to be the rock upon which Christ built His church, but the Christ of Peter's confession is. For in contrast to Peter, that the LORD Jesus is the Rock (“petra”) or "stone" (“lithos,” and which denotes a large rock in Mk. 16:4) upon which the church is built is one of the most abundantly confirmed doctrines in the Bible (petra: Rm. 9:33; 1Cor. 10:4; 1Pet. 2:8; cf. Lk. 6:48; 1Cor. 3:11; lithos: Mat. 21:42; Mk.12:10-11; Lk. 20:17-18; Act. 4:11; Rm. 9:33; Eph. 2:20; cf. Dt. 32:4, Is. 28:16) including by Peter himself. (1Pt. 2:4-8)

Nowhere is the church exhorted to look to Peter as its supreme infallible head, much less in Rome (and is not even mentioned in Paul's list of acquaintances in Rm. 16).

Peter fades from view after Acts 15, and Paul himself called all the Ephesian pastors to conference, as well as doing many other things that make him as a pope. (See parody, 51 Biblical Proofs Of A Pauline Papacy And Ephesian Primacy )

While Peter was the brethren type leader among the 12, and exercised a general pastoral role, the power of binding and loosing was also given to all the disciples, (Mt. 18:15-19) and exercised contrary to Rome's presumption.(1Cor. 5; James 5)

NT pastors are never titled priests, or shown teaching or dispensing physical bread to gain spiritual and eternal life by, or hearing Christian confessions and granting forgiveness, and in the only instance of a possible convert doing so, then he was himself told to pray to God for forgiveness, which is what the Lord Himself taught.

More can be given if you were really interested in warrant for belief, versus simply continually posting and pasting papal propaganda.

62 posted on 03/08/2014 7:31:38 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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