Posted on 02/27/2014 12:52:33 PM PST by Talisker
High and outside...strike three.
Nice try.
There is a first amendment right to share your faith. In keeping with that, a bakery could simply print selected scriptures on their cake boxes that point out the unbiblical nature of homosexuality.
If the homosexual “couple” disagreed with the printing on the boxes, well that’s just too bad.
Nice try.
Oh look, a Democrat.
You have anything other than a bumper sticker? Because I'm not seeing any level of intelligent critique from you at all. Let alone legal, social or religious analysis.
Unless, of course, you think COSTCO should let in people who aren't members.
If the homosexual “couple” disagreed with the printing on the boxes, well that’s just too bad.
How is that different from the homosexual couple knowing that the baker doesn't want to make the cake for them in the first place? Your solution doesn't solve the problem.
The issue is how NOT to sell to people who want you to make something that violates your faith, given the recent court rulings and laws in this area.
What I propose solves that problem.
Even with this “roundabout solution” you have proposed, there would be “Christian churches” which would allow homosexual weddings and let the homosexuals join the “Christian cake club”. It would be just one more opportunity for those promoting the gay agenda to get some press, showing how they are so persecuted by the rest of us.
How is this "outside"?
Millions of Christians are furious over this violation of their religion. I have proposed a solution. You have declared it has a flaw. What is that flaw?
Hey, you can post a mocking picture. Surely you can also explain the flaw that backs it up.
Go ahead. Explain.
No the way around it is do like the Jew’s did in the days of the inquisition when Jew’s weren’t permitted to own business and were overcharged at the “lawful” businesses. They created an entire underground economy. One Jew might bake bread and trade it to another Jew who made clothes, then trade the clothes to another Jew who had grain. Thereby circumventing the entire tax structure and economy. Then were so successful that the “lawful” businesses were losing so much business that petitioned to get the laws repealed.
No, the baker runs the club.
And the baker only allows churches in that conform to his or her Christian beliefs.
If those beliefs deny marriage to homosexuals, then no affiliated church will be a church that will marry homosexuals. Therefore, no homosexual will be a member in good standing of that church, and therefore they will not be allowed to be a member of the club.
You see, the baker isn't denying wedding cakes to homosexuals. He's providing wedding cakes to members of the club - and the members of the club have to also be member in good standing of an affiliated church.
So how is a member in good standing in a church that doesn't marry homosexuals going to want a wedding cake for a homosexual wedding? The very request would violate the beliefs of the associated church, and thereby identify them as not in good standing with that church - and that would be verified by the pastor or priest.
Look, the idea is not to stop homosexuals from buying wedding cakes. The idea is to prevent homosexuals from being able to force people to make them wedding cakes against their religious beliefs. The difference is gigantic.
I similarly thought of churches who do not wish to marry gay people will have to stop marrying just anybody who turns up at their door. They will have to revert to only marrying people in good standing within the church - this means they would need to be regular attendees and hold true to the stated beliefs of that church. For too long anyway have many young couples used the church as a nice photo back drop for their particular nuptials without being even associated with the church.
We dont have freedom of choice to do with our bodies as we plaese.
We must bake the cake!
Create a brand name such as Halal.
Refined™
Make it known that the cakes use Holy water and have been prayed over by Christians.
Also Christians need to hire gay owned businesses to print brochures for Conversion Therapy.
First ones that refuse- wham law suit!
No. Your way requires an avoidance of the tax structure - which is illegal.
It also sneaks around in the dark.
My way is open and aboveboard, allows bakers (or whomever) to advertise they are Christians, and not violate tax laws. And that openness is extremely important, because it brings the idea of religious freedom right into customer's faces, where it needs to be.
The idea is not to hide in America - it's to RESTORE America, and that takes openness, not hiding.
Fine by me. I no longer care about the laws of this ungodly nation, when they start infringing on my religous liberties and my right to earn a living, I feel no obligation to play by their rulebook any longer.
You make a good point. Many couples get married at the church of the parents of the bride or groom. This can often be a church that the child has not attended recently or ever.
As then, one or both of the couple is not a member, how can a church refuse to serve another “couple” that just shows up.
Gay weddings all around, for everyone. Its just a fun time. < /snark >
Or you could just realize you’re in the cake making business and stop whining and worrying about what people are doing around the cake. Really this whole kerfuffle is idiocy pretending to be principal, make the cake, get their money, move on with your life. Or if you really really don’t want to, lie, tell them your booked, and move on with your life. Once you decide you need to approve of your customers you’ve opened up a can of worms that leads to no good at all.
How do they lay of pitches that close?
Then leave the country.
The American process is to use the tools the Founders gave us to fight back against tyranny. Elections and laws and all the other methods.
People like you shoot of their mouths and try to foment rebellion, while you carefully go to work and pay your taxes and watch your speed limit when driving. Your hypocrisy is rank.
In addition, your frustration comes from laziness. You've decided that you will only learn so much, and go no farther. You will not exert yourself to learn more about the law - no, that's too much trouble. Instead, you'll just try to incite other people to rebellion, while you sit back and eat popcorn and see who wins. You're pathetic.
People need to learn the law deeper and better than they ever have. Americans need to grow the hell up, and learn HOW their country is being changed away from freedom - how the laws actually work. People like you, who try to block that learning, don't deserve this country or its freedoms.
Oh, I’m going to get mesothelioma for sure, but I am putting on my asbestos dress for this one:
ONE REASON CONSERVATIVES CANT REACH THE MIGHTY LOW INFO VOTERS IS that often we are seen exactly like the left, pushing our beliefs onto others.
Let’s remember. This country was founded on freedom to worship — nay, LIVE, -— as we wish. Just sell your cakes, seat people at your restaurant, fix people’s cars, rent out your apartments. BELIEVE ME, your customers and tenants will ALL BE SINNERS. None of your business. The Bible lists a lot of sins that are worse than sexual behavior, including lying and gossiping and cheating people.
We as a conservative, return to the Constitution movement would be best pursuing one mindedly that purpose, not refusing to treat or serve people whose sins are more apparent.
Or else change your line of work to one where you don’t deal with the public at all.
I have two questions: Would it still allow businesses that supply the wedding industry to stay in business? The percentage of business that bakers do for weddings might be relatively small. However, I imagine that florists make a lot of money off weddings. If most of the dues from a Christian Wedding Flowers Club don't end up in the hand of the florist then he might go out of business anyways. And if most of the club dues end up in his hands then there might be cause for the feds to decide it really isn't a club.
Also if your idea is workable for bakers & florists, is there a way it can be adapted for organizations that own property and need to rent it out in order to pay for the property taxes, etc.?
For example, a chapter of The Knights of Columbus that rents their hall out for wedding receptions, etc. Is there any hope that a similar strategy like yours could allow them to continue to host anything from bingo nights to wedding receptions without having to host gay receptions? I don't think those organizations could keep their properties if they only rented it out to club members and their associated friends and acquaintances.
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