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To: HarleyD
Why be Catholic? The Pope just told us one can be saved by being a Muslim?

The Catholic position is more complicated in that.

Is it your position that a Muslim who is ignorant of Christianity, though no fault of his own, cannot be saved?

90 posted on 01/24/2014 4:08:39 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Is it your position that a Muslim who is ignorant of Christianity, though no fault of his own, cannot be saved?

My position-

Now, understanding the Catholic position that salvation is part grace/part choice, how is it that God saves men apart from their choice?
96 posted on 01/24/2014 4:28:57 AM PST by HarleyD (...one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.)
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If folks can be saved without Jesus why did He bother to come down and die on the cross? It would have been far better under the Roman Catholic scheme for people to remain ignorant than run the risk oh hearing about Jesus, rejecting Him, and being condemned.

And why evangelize? If I tell the good news to someone who is ignorant and they don’t convert I am culpable in their condemnation.

But it isn’t that simple. Muslims, according to the Roman Catholic catechism get a free pass anyway.

By the way, people are judged not because they are ignorant, but because of their sin.


101 posted on 01/24/2014 4:44:21 AM PST by Gamecock (If you like your constitution, you can keep your constitution. Period. (M.S.))
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; HarleyD
The Catholic position is more complicated in that. Is it your position that a Muslim who is ignorant of Christianity, though no fault of his own, cannot be saved?

It's actually pretty simple, stated right here in the Catechism of the Catholic church, which says NOTHING about it being complicated.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P29.HTM

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330

137 posted on 01/24/2014 6:50:19 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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