Posted on 01/23/2014 9:29:40 PM PST by NKP_Vet
1. Best One-Sentence Summary: I am convinced that the Catholic Church conforms much more closely to all of the biblical data, offers the only coherent view of the history of Christianity (i.e., Christian, apostolic Tradition), and possesses the most profound and sublime Christian morality, spirituality, social ethic, and philosophy.
2. Alternate: I am a Catholic because I sincerely believe, by virtue of much cumulative evidence, that Catholicism is true, and that the Catholic Church is the visible Church divinely-established by our Lord Jesus, against which the gates of hell cannot and will not prevail (Mt 16:18), thereby possessing an authority to which I feel bound in Christian duty to submit.
3. 2nd Alternate: I left Protestantism because it was seriously deficient in its interpretation of the Bible (e.g., "faith alone" and many other "Catholic" doctrines - see evidences below), inconsistently selective in its espousal of various Catholic Traditions (e.g., the Canon of the Bible), inadequate in its ecclesiology, lacking a sensible view of Christian history (e.g., "Scripture alone"), compromised morally (e.g., contraception, divorce), and unbiblically schismatic, anarchical, and relativistic. I don't therefore believe that Protestantism is all bad (not by a long shot), but these are some of the major deficiencies I eventually saw as fatal to the "theory" of Protestantism, over against Catholicism. All Catholics must regard baptized, Nicene, Chalcedonian Protestants as Christians.
4. Catholicism isn't formally divided and sectarian (Jn 17:20-23; Rom 16:17; 1 Cor 1:10-13).
5. Catholic unity makes Christianity and Jesus more believable to the world (Jn 17:23).
6. Catholicism, because of its unified, complete, fully supernatural Christian vision, mitigates against secularization and humanism.
7. Catholicism avoids an unbiblical individualism which undermines Christian community (e.g., 1 Cor 12:25-26).
8. Catholicism avoids theological relativism, by means of dogmatic certainty and the centrality of the papacy.
(Excerpt) Read more at ourcatholicfaith.org ...
“Sorry but Christ is the savior not a denomination”
1) Christ is the Savior.
2) the Catholic Church is not a denomination. Protestants have denomination.
3) Christ, as the Savior, sent His Church, the Catholic Church, into the world to bring the forgiveness He won on the cross to all men (John 20:19-23). Thus, the Church is part and parcel of the way of salvation as established by the Savior.
I know of no Pope who was not a sinner - yet no false doctrine was ever taught.
Not sorry, thankful, salvation is through faith alone.
Baloney. Nowhere does it say, become a Catholic and be saved. It says, “for God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son that whosoever believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life.”. If I misquoted, blame it on my pain. Caught one of my fingers in the thingy which pulls a storm door closed. Plus my eye hurts. Will see eye surgeon next month to schedule surgery which I am very concerned about. Nite. God bless.
“Not sorry, thankful, salvation is through faith alone.”
No, salvation is through grace alone.
Grace comes with faith. Not kissing the bishops ring.
The Catholic Church is the Church that Christ founded for the purpose of salvation.
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If only the pope knew that. Based on his recent comments about Islam, I’d say someone needs to educate your leader:
“Sharing our experience in carrying that cross, to expel the illness within our hearts, which embitters our life: it is important that you do this in your meetings. Those that are Christian, with the Bible, and those that are Muslim, with the Quran. The faith that your parents instilled in you will always help you move on.”
Of course, they are bad people and bad Catholics.
They SHOULD be denied Communion for their support of abortion, gay marriage, and a number of other crimes.
The notorious homosexual, Cardinal Donald Wuerl, Archbishop of Washington, refuses to deny Communion to pro-abortion “Catholics” because they could easily end his career by giving the press permission to do so.
Which means that, although I believe the Catholic Church is the Church founded by Christ, it is reasonable for a non-Catholic, in the face of the corruption and weakness of a man like Wuerl, to say: This institution is not a truth-telling institution.
Duck call.
Would you like to elaborate on point #4 in the article? Meaning what metrics were used to assert such unity?
“What rude awakening are Catholics going to have and why?”
They’d realize that their doctrines did not exist from the very beginning, that, actually, their doctrine developed over time, even their claims to the Papacy and the primacy of Rome, and that their religion directly contradicts the teachings of many church fathers.
That’s the summary for you.
“I know of no Pope who was not a sinner - yet no false doctrine was ever taught.”
I think teaching people on camera how to french kiss a Koran is pretty bad doctrine.
I heard Robert Jeffress on Fox News recently. Liked a lot of what he said. I think that of all the religions that I am familiar with, I am more aligned with the Southern Baptist Church than any other, and I liked Jeffress’ attitude.
When a group in a debate on other threads are getting their 4th point of contact handed to them in said debating, they start another thread hoping for better weather:)
Pope’s have done much worse. Yet no false doctrine was taught.
“Pope’s have done much worse. Yet no false doctrine was taught.”
Are you claiming that the Roman Catholic church does not teach that the path to salvation is open to Muslims, and that the Pope was wrong to kiss a Koran, therefore?
If there was stats that said catholics didn’t vote for pelosi, biden or cuomo, I would have a little more respect for the followers..now I am just guessing but they probably do all right on election days with catholic voters...
I know I don’t really need those stats because we have the liberal northeast, with probably the largest concentration of ‘Catholics’ in the country outside of the major cities with latinos in Texas or California.(just guessing).. and those are deep, deep, blue.. every election... liberals are always liberals first...
So something pelosi, biden and cuomo and the like is selling appeals to catholics...
“No - I am sure the goal isn’t to divide Christians. The goal is to increase the probability of salvation for non-Catholics by having them come into the Catholic Church.”
And what a bang up job some are doing here with that, huh?
FRiendly advice...take the example of the apostles and preach the Gospel (see 1 Corinthians 15). When one does this they are evangelizing not preaching catechism. The former always comes before the latter in the NT.
1 Corinthians 15:1-11 KJV
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.
They, the Kennedys, Catholic political leaders from around the nation, they go to the Vatican and take communion, when they die the Catholic church gives them grand funerals and recognition, they meet with their Pope.
They aren't in trouble, they are the image of the denomination, they represent the party of most Catholics.
Leading Catholic and non-Catholic theologians have done just that for over 2000 years and have come to the same conclusions that Protestantism has pawned a “cluster of heresies” and accounts of the 35, 000 different brands of Protestants sects and cults from David Koresh to Jim Jones to Rev. Moon to the Billy Grahams, Schullers, Osteens, and Rev. Jeremiah Wrights of our time.
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