Posted on 01/16/2014 5:20:42 AM PST by Colofornian
...A frequently cited passage in LDS scripture identifies The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth(...Doctrine and Covenants 1:30).
What does this mean? asked Elder Tad R. Callister of the churchs Presidency of the Seventy during a devotional for college-age church members Sunday evening.
It does not mean that other churches do not have some truth, for certainly they do, he said. It does not mean that other churches do not render good, for they render much good. What it does mean is that this is the only church that has all the truth that has been revealed thus far in this dispensation the only church that has the ordinances necessary for exaltation, and the only church that has the priesthood of God to perform those ordinances with divine validity....
...he might find some churches that had some similarities a teaching or two that overlapped, an ordinance that is the same, some offices that bear common names, but he will only find one church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, that matches the blueprint in every material respect.
He said the current Church of Jesus Christ should have the same organization that existed in Christs original church, subject to revelatory changes. Therefore, each of these offices is present in our church today.
Christs blueprint...is very specific regarding ordinances that are to be performed...particularly baptism.
Once someone crosses the doctrinal bridge and acknowledges that baptism is essential for salvation (which it is), then logically he is led to believe in baptism for the dead there is no escaping it, Elder Callister said.
Otherwise, how does one answer the difficult question: What about those who died without the opportunity to be baptized?...
(Excerpt) Read more at deseretnews.com ...
MORMON
ATTITUDES OF SUPERIORITY
1. Im Superior; I have a special gift of the holy Ghost -- you dont!
2. Im Superior; I have Gods true priesthood power -- you dont! 3. Im Superior; I can go in Gods secret Temple -- you cant! 4. Im Superior; Ive been Endowed with special Gifts and Knowledge -- youre just normal! 5. Im Superior; Ill have my family with me in heaven -- youll be with strangers! 6. Im Superior; Im becoming a God -- you arent! 7. Im Superior; My women know their place as servants of man and yours dont. 8. Im Superior; YOUR creeds are wrong because they come from man - mine comes from God (you can find each one printed in our Scriptures). 9. Im Superior; I dont HAVE a creed - Ive got 13 Articles of Faith. 10. I'm Superior; I have 4 "Bibles"-- the standard works (5 if you count the JST) -- you've only got one: in as far as it is translated correctly. 11. Im Superior; I can lie with impunity about such things as church membership, church growth, church doctrine, church history, church influence, etc. -- You cant. 12. Im Superior; I am right (everybody knows) when I say 'evangelical' Christians are lunatics -- -- Youre a hideous narrow-minded bigot, who is persecuting me by practicing discrimination by saying I'm not a Christian.
13. I'm Superior; I have a testimony about a prophet -- you don't. 14. I'm Superior; I have a Scripture-producing Amos 3:7 prophet -- you don't 15. Im Superior; I have a Living Prophet who talks to god every day -- you have a dim-witted hireling of Satan who only talks to himself. 16. I'm Superior; I have my calling & election made sure -- you don't. 17. Im Superior; I have magic underwear to protect me from the bogey man -- you dont. 18. Im Superior; I have secret clasps and grips to give the angel so I get admitted to the celestial kingdom -- you dont ;so you cant. 19. I'm Superior; I know secret handshake codes for afterlife entrances-- you don't. 20. Im Superior; I will see Joseph Smith setting on the right hand of GOD, when I get to Mormon heaven, and he will recognize me and judge me favorably -- Youre on your own; when you get to wherever youre going! 21. Im Superior; Im going to hie to Kolob -- youre going to who knows where. 22. Im Superior; I get to have a harem and act like a celestial stud for time and all eternity -- you dont. 23. Im Superior; I have sun stones, moon stones, sky stones, cloud stones, Saturn stones, and the evil eye of Osirus guarding my temple -- You have nothing but a stupid cross.
24. Im Superior; My church has billions in assets stashed away -- yours has taken a stupid vow of poverty. 25. I'm Superior; Last - we have the power to keep a whole race out of our priesthood if we wanted to reinsert our 148-year legacy (we ARE still keeping an entire GENDER at bay!) 26. I'm superior; I have the "higher law" -- everyone else "lives under the "lesser law' because I say so...(over and over). Revision 46.5
Semi-Official creed of the EXclusive club of Freeper Flying Inmans.
All rights liable to be abused.
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Christs blueprint...is very specific regarding ordinances that are to be performed...particularly baptism. Once someone crosses the doctrinal bridge and acknowledges that baptism is essential for salvation (which it is), then logically he is led to believe in baptism for the dead there is no escaping it, Elder Callister said. Otherwise, how does one answer the difficult question: What about those who died without the opportunity to be baptized?...
Tell me, Elder Callister:
Note: In place of what Christians believe about those outside of Christ, Peterson offered the supposed Mormon view -- Baptism of the dead -- which allegedly offers "a fair chance" for such a "medieval Chinese peasant". Peterson ended his commentary by claiming that the Mormon belief "in the vicarious redemption of the dead" is somehow "a fair and solid solution to" this "problem."
First of all, what is Peterson the Mormon apologist presuming about this "medieval Chinese peasant" -- from a Mormon baptism of dead perspective, anyway?
Well, Lds don't baptize nameless phantoms of the past en masse. No, that's what their massive genealogical enterprise is all about: Capturing govt records; capturing church history rosters; capturing names & dates off of tombstones.
So Peterson makes up this spotlight about some medieval Chinese peasant. Yet how many birthnames & birth-death dates does the Mormon church really have about medieval Chinese peasants -- many/most of whom were likely either illiterate or highly illiterate???
Several years ago on a thread, one FREEPER pointed out that: "Very few of the humans who have inhabited this earth were buried in graves - with head stones or plinths" -- so even recovering such names from the pre-Gutenberg era becomes a major challenge for anybody, especially the Mormon genealogical enterprise.
Lds apologist Peterson's problem goes beyond the tombstoneless dead of history. I mean, the Lds church can't even tell you everybody who's alive on the planet now -- even 100 years from now, they won't be able to name even close to all those who lived in the year 2013 on Planet Earth.
Yet, Mormons claim proxy baptism is universal (or will be).
Have Mormons bothered to ever do the math?
Let's go with a young earth math theory for the moment -- that the earth is only 6,000 years old.
#1 A few experts have concluded that if this is the case, we may have had still 30-60 billion people who have ever lived on the earth.
#2, Now, if the Earth suffers few major catastrophes over the next almost 1,000 years, how many people could the earth have by the year 3,000? (One estimate from WikiAnswers suggests 80-110 billion).
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_will_there_be_in_the_year_3000
#3 Now, toss in perhaps another 400-450 billion people who will have lived and died in the year 2000, 2100, 2200, etc. before the year 3,000 comes upon us.
My point? By the year 3000 Mormons may have to smoke their computer genealogical war machine room to accommodate 500-600 billion plus people who lived from 4,000 B.C. to 3,000 A.D.
Now, since Lds believe that such baptisms aren't done other than by proxy, please, Mr. Peterson, provide for us a "mathematical breakdown" of how this is supposedly "fair."
For example, tell us: How many proxy baptisms will the average Mormon teen-ager have to perform in the temple over the next 13 generations (keep in mind the exact % of Mormon teens even involved in this process) to crank up the Mormon necro-baptism number to an eventual 500-600 billion?
You see, Mr. Peterson, this is what happens when you let incredulity rule even basic logic. Mormons are "sold" on the "fairness" & "Justness" & "equality" argument that the door is (or eventually will be) "open" to "all."
But when you start asking them to define "all," they slouch away.
By "all," do you mean the pre-Gutenberg billions? (Uh...)
By "all," do you mean the "no records exist" for those who lived in the teen A.D. centuries? (Uh...)
By "all," do you mean the lack of worldwide temples & manpower mandated to even meet the current Lds fastfood Necro baptism machine need? (Never mind that no matter how many volunteers they grind up in their computer appetite clamoring for "More food...More food," it'll never ever catch up)
So, do tell Mr. Peterson of your "math formula" for necro-baptizing the billions and billions and billions of known people ... never even mind the 30-60 billion who have already lived & whom you can't find any extant records for!
Bottom-line: You, see...in Mormonism, Christ as THE Savior gets diluted by sheer ritualism...genealogy...an unhealthy obsession with the dead...and then usurped as THE Savior!
Do you always defend Mormonism?
Is there some link between your particular belief and that heresy?
***Otherwise, how does one answer the difficult question: What about those who died without the opportunity to be baptized?...***
Wasn’t an issue until Mormons made it one.
“This thread does not praise God, it weakens faith.”
BEWARE the relativistic “we are the world” post! It’s obnoxious and liberal in nature.
Religions are NOT all equal! Only Jesus Christ is the Way, Truth and Life!
Who really CARES??
How does Mormonism begin to answer the FACT that only about 15% or so of ALL MORMONs are WORTHY enough to spend eternity with god the father?
The mouthy ones on FR just IGNORE it; evidently hoping no one will notice!
Temple Recommend Questions
1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost? 2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer? 3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days? 4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church? 5 Do you live the law of chastity? 6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church? 7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? 8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel? 9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen? 10 Are you a full-tithe payer? 11 Do you keep the Word of Wisdom? 12 Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations? 13 If you have previously received your temple endowment: Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple? Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple? 14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been? 15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances? |
Maybe they are hoping for a DEATHBED-like confession.
Save yer money and following restrictive rules and regulations until the LAST part of your life - getting a TR at the last possible moment.
After all; a MORMON merely needs a CURRENT Temple Recommend Card to get the benefits of MORMON Heaven, Top Level.
Verily I say unto you, that it is my will that a house should be built unto me for the salvation of Zion.
Gordon SELECTIVELY editted something it seems:
10 Verily I say unto you, that it is my will that a ahouse should be built unto me in the land of Zion, like unto the bpattern which I have given you.
We've already SEEN that 'zion' is... AoF #10 We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
Even the WORLD knows it!! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/22/for-mormons-missouri-rema_n_1905057.html
Only a foolish men would fine it amusing to MOCK The House of the Lord
LDS Church Follows Christ's 'Blueprint
Starts 12 mins. in
Only a FOOL would think that a whitewashed sepulcher is a house of the Lord.
I hope the MASONIC gods don't judge you TOO harshly for STEALING their secret uh, SACRED little rituals and signs.
Mormons clean theirs...
http://exmormon.org/d6/drupal/Cleaning-the-Mormon-buidling-no-longer-volunteer
...to listen to living prophet(s)...
Oh??
Plural???
(I'd be surprised if ANYthing were 'prophesied'!)
Good point, that is what this thread is warning about.
LDS belief:
"...all systems of worship outside of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints would be classified as 'the church of the devil'"Now if that is not wolves in sheep's clothing nothing it!
So FR Mormons are OK with the LDS believing all Christians worship at churches of the devil? All Christian churches are churches of the devil?
The sheep clothing (worn by the LDS belief system adherents) of the Mormon follwers are transparent to Christians, they can be seen right through and inside is a ravenous wolf.
Matthew 7:15. "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.See the questions above? Could you answer them please? TIA!
Oh and a little more...
This thread does not praise God, it weakens faith.
That is half right, it's designed to weaken the "faith" of followers of the cult of the LDS. Now that's the way to Praise (Honor) God
There is a real God (not one that used to be a man and became a god, called heavenly father by Mormons) out there (not many gods as Mormons are required to believe) and a real Jesus (not the brother of satan) ready to bring all Mormons into His kingdom.
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