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Did God want to 'put His thumb on humanity' as Satan suggested to Eve in Genesis 3:1-5?
1/15/2014 | Laissez-Faire Capitalist

Posted on 01/15/2014 7:05:50 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist

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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

If he did not know, then he is not omniscient - theologically, an impossibility.

God exists outside of time and is aware of everything everywhere. How can humans be said to make any decisions under this scenario?


21 posted on 01/15/2014 7:47:02 AM PST by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: Nifster
"Free will came into play…."

And that is precisely the point.

Only w/ free will can man give his love freely back to God.

Free will is a great gift and a terrible burden.

22 posted on 01/15/2014 7:47:14 AM PST by Pietro
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Regarding #12, yes. Same choice we all have.


23 posted on 01/15/2014 7:49:36 AM PST by sueQ
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To: yldstrk

He did, and Eve disobeyed and ate of the tree that God had told her and Adam NOT to eat from.


24 posted on 01/15/2014 7:50:58 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Why is Eve punished for doing evil, before she eats of the fruit of knowledge? She didn't know she was doing wrong until she took a bite.
25 posted on 01/15/2014 7:52:07 AM PST by sportutegrl
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

There is something far deeper going on imo. The worlds greatest story has secrets yet to be revealed. Us fleas were created to worship God but we have to be shown what happens when we rule the earth our way.

So prepare for the Kingdom of God to be brought to earth


26 posted on 01/15/2014 7:53:39 AM PST by winodog
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To: Nifster

Where does it say that, please?


27 posted on 01/15/2014 7:59:40 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Nifster
Lucifer was explicitly thrown out of heaven with his minions for making war on God

Since we are talking about the Old Testament, where specifically does it say that? Or are you thinking of Milton's "Paradise Lost"?

No where in Scripture does it directly say anything about the failed rebellion in Heaven that Satan lost causing him and his other former angel followers to be cast out.

I'd like to know if you do. I've always been interested in that but haven't found it in the Bible.

Perhaps in Revelation but I don't consider that the literal Word of God.

28 posted on 01/15/2014 8:00:12 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ("The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it." - George Orwell)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Job is usually regarded as fictional by most rabbinical authorities, and I suspect, a lot of Christian pastors.


29 posted on 01/15/2014 8:01:47 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
I would like to hear that answer too.

Perhaps in Revelation but I don't consider that the literal Word of God.

I believe Revelations was revealed to John by the way of Visions from God. Which to me is the word of God.

30 posted on 01/15/2014 8:19:14 AM PST by painter ( Isaiah: “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,")
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To: sportutegrl

“Ignorance of the law is no excuse.”


31 posted on 01/15/2014 8:28:33 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ("The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it." - George Orwell)
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

How?


32 posted on 01/15/2014 8:29:36 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
I think - and I have no way of knowing this - that God created the Tree of Choice because He loved man as His own creation; but He wanted man to freely choose Him - despite the promise of a pleasing alternative - and to reject an existence separate from Him. Sadly, Eve and Adam chose otherwise.
33 posted on 01/15/2014 8:30:04 AM PST by quadrant (1o)
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To: onedoug

“I don’t believe in Satan, as it undermines monotheism...”

How so?

“...but that God Himself was the deceptive agent in The Garden at that time when human beings learned to abstract good and evil from within their own minds.”

So, you think that God lies?


34 posted on 01/15/2014 8:40:28 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: sportutegrl

“She didn’t know she was doing wrong until she took a bite.”

She knew she was doing something forbidden, because that rule had been explained to her explicitly.


35 posted on 01/15/2014 8:46:24 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Jack of all Trades
For the love of money is the root of all evil”, but in Genesis the original sin was hypothesis testing.

money is the root, not the seed. the root give sin it's strength.

36 posted on 01/15/2014 8:47:17 AM PST by aimhigh
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Revelation 1, read it.
(My paraphrase) From Jesus Christ, which God gave Him (Jesus), given to angel, passed on to John, written to the 7 churches. Tells John to write the things which you have seen, the things, which are and the things which shall take place after these things.


37 posted on 01/15/2014 8:54:36 AM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
If Eve had retorted to the serpent that . . . .

God wanted obedience, not a successful debate. Eve didn't have to respond at all. She (and Adam with her) could have just walked away. We don't have to have winning arguments to keep from sin.

After gaining the knowledge of good and evil, mankind has been operating on such knowledge ever since. God wants us to return to obedience based on faith. Obedience doesn't require that we are able to answer ever lie presented to us.

"By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments." 1 John 5:2-3

38 posted on 01/15/2014 8:58:19 AM PST by aimhigh
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To: onedoug

do your own reading…. Lucifer fought in the heavens and was thrown out….certainly you have an Old Testament king around dusty and untouched


39 posted on 01/15/2014 9:07:43 AM PST by Nifster
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
The sad part is that Eve had already caught Satan twisting God's words and corrected him once. Why on earth in paradise, did she keep listening to him after that?
40 posted on 01/15/2014 9:09:13 AM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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