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Good. I want to see the ring-kissing go away too. It has nothing to do with religion. It’s from the times when bishops were a secular power.

If someone is truly great, as is Francis, he doesn’t need artificial trappings that once belonged to princes and princesses.


8 posted on 01/04/2014 1:34:46 PM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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If someone is truly great, as is Francis, he doesn’t need artificial trappings that once belonged to princes and princesses.

Post of the century. You are so right. I think Francis is the best thing to happen to the Catholic Church practically forever. He is so refreshing. I could care less what the haters think. He is perfect!


9 posted on 01/04/2014 1:40:54 PM PST by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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Bishops are princes and the Pope is a monarch. Manners change over time, but this is not subject to change.

The world has known plenty of humble monarchs, and His Holiness is one of them.


10 posted on 01/04/2014 1:48:11 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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” I want to see the ring-kissing go away too. It has nothing to do with religion. It’s from the times when bishops were a secular power.”

I want more of the hand-kissing since it goes back to BEFORE bishops were a secular power. In the Orthodox Churches it is still the custom in many places to kiss the hands of a priest and bishops. The difference is that with the priest they say
“Father bless” and with the bishop they say “Master bless.”
If you hate to see people kissing a priest’s hands, then don’t watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqUHY0_Cq-c&feature=related

S, we’ll do what you want - not kiss the bishop’s ring - but now everyone will have to kiss the hands of every Catholic and Orthodox priest or bishop they meet. How’s that?


12 posted on 01/04/2014 2:07:53 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: I want the USA back
It's a little more complicated than that.

In the post-Carolingian era, high born laymen would treat bishops and priests who were commoners as if they were servants and inferiors.

One of the ways in which the Church responded was by conferring titles of honor on clergy to insist that titled laity treat their pastors with more respect.

Another way, of course, was by selecting bishops and abbots from among the nobly-born clergy.

I for one am glad that the Church asserted itself by creating its own nobility rather than just allowing secular nobility to dominate and direct the Church as if it were a mere adjunct of earthly politics.

But yes, these titles and distinctions are less meaningful in an era when the ability to deliver blocs of votes is more important than birth as a measure of social power.

The same problem remains, however: how will the Christian clergy develop the proper esprit de corps to challenge the disdain and disrespect they increasingly receive from secular politicians?

Ending outmoded honors does not provide a full answer.

19 posted on 01/04/2014 4:11:48 PM PST by wideawake
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