When is the Rapture ?

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[Uri’el-2012]

Why I believe the Rapture of the Church

will take place between December 25, 2013,

and January 4, 2014

The Lord has been giving me pieces to a puzzle for the last 13 years, leading me to the date for the firstfruits Rapture of the Church. The puzzle ends between December 25, 2013, and January 4, 2014. I very strongly believe that the Rapture will take place on January 3/4, 2014. However, it is possible that the puzzle can end as early as December 25, 2013.

[CynicalBear]

LOL Haven’t you been reading his posts?

[count-your-change]

It is possible for us to agree as well as disagree.

[redleghunter]

The 24 elders identity has never been satisfactorily addressed by anyone so far.

LOL, yes perhaps a stab at it. You should know I don't tred far from what is not clearly certain in scriptures. I do give observations in which we could all comment on, as in iron sharpening iron.

I agree everyone uses the 24 elders to further a specific view. Here are my observations:

The elders appear in the scene in Heaven in Revelation chapter 4 after John is commanded to "come up". The elders are quite different from the souls of the martrys under the altar. It seems the elders are bodily (supposition on my part) and have golden crowns. Whether the 24 elders in chapter 4 have anything to do with a timeline of events is uncertain other than they are present at the breaking of the first seal. So we have 24 (maybe more we don't know) elders who have crowns. I do not know of any scripture where angels have crowns. Past this is no longer observation. It seems to me these are humans with bodies and not souls. When they got there and how they got there and if these are glorified bodies is unknown from this specific text.

[redleghunter]

I just point out that maybe not to many, there is a big difference between the Hebrew roots and the Christian Hebrew roots.

[editor-surveyor]

Pre-tribbers have to dodge everything with the same kind of bizarre replies as this one of yours.

What do catholics have to do with pretrib shenanigans? They’re mostly A-Mil.

[RichInOC]

...still?

Folks, until it happens, nobody knows the time of the end but God. Trying to figure out the time of the Rapture is either directly or indirectly (depending on your take on eschatology) trying to figure out the time of the end. Stahp. Worry less about when, and more about being ready.

[editor-surveyor]

>> “Haven’t you been reading his posts?” <<

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You certainly haven’t, yet it doesn’t stop you from replying to whatever you’ve imagined.

[editor-surveyor]

Once the abomination is revealed, all of the times fall into place through the 3.5 year span to the Resurrection in accordance with the prophecies in the feasts.

Its just that one event that marks the times for the rest that we cannot know.

[CynicalBear]

>> What do catholics have to do with pretrib shenanigans? They’re mostly A-Mil.<<

I was talking about your assumption of where I get my information. You simply assumed I somehow got information from Lindsay. It’s the same mental gymnastics the Catholics use when they don’t like what scripture says.

[CynicalBear]

>>You certainly haven’t, yet it doesn’t stop you from replying to whatever you’ve imagined.<<

Oh I read your posts. Now how about replying to redleghunter’s question. Let’s here your views of the Hebrew roots beliefs.

[editor-surveyor]

I don’t see any temporal relationship between the vision of the elders and any events.

It’s like they’re just a part of the scenery in the throne room. John is just telling us what he sees.

[editor-surveyor]

>> “Now how about replying to redleghunter’s question. Let’s here your views of the Hebrew roots beliefs.” <<

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Has it not yet occurred to you that the views of others are not supposed to shape your belief?

I read the scriptures, and see what the Holy spirit places in my mind. I do not see that we are to follow anyone. Remember how Paul always rebuked those that claimed to follow him?

I believe what Yeshua told us primarily. Especially in Matthew, as he was Cohenim and had more understanding than the rest of the disciples.

[Tennessee Nana]

SHHHHH

secret...

[editor-surveyor]

OK, keep your secret.
Its not cool to post while inebriated.

[CynicalBear]

Hmmm, I don’t see how that answers the question of what your view of the Hebrew roots movement is.

[redleghunter]

Amen. Our current operations is the Great Commission, be ready and sober for His return. If we must endure persecution and death as our brothers and sisters do now in China and Jihadi lands, then we will join them under the altar. If we die peacefully in our beds or get caught up, Praise God because we all have the same promise from Jesus Christ in John 14.

[editor-surveyor]

All “movements” differ from person to person. Its not monolithic.

I pick up from Paul’s advise to the Thessalonians; knowing the feasts and days assures that Yeshua will not come “like a thief.”

That was how all of the early followers went, so it is the way that I’ll go.

[redleghunter]

As I said as we observe the 24 elders they are present and interact with John when the Lamb is worthy to break the first seal. If we look at when crowns are given and these are yet cast at the feet of Christ things get even more interesting.

[CynicalBear]

LOL

[HarleyD]

If Paul was really telling the Galatians that circumcision separated them from Yeshua, why did he circumcise Timothy?

For all our friends trying to live by the law, Christians are not under the law of God. They are under the law of Christ (grace).

Please consider these verses:

1Co 9:21 To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law.

Gal 6:2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.

The law of Christ is to love one another as we are loved. Paul circumcised Timothy so that he might win others to Christ, an act of love in Christ.