Posted on 12/23/2013 7:16:44 PM PST by Uri’el-2012
Why I believe the Rapture of the Church
will take place between December 25, 2013,
and January 4, 2014
The Lord has been giving me pieces to a puzzle for the last 13 years, leading me to the date for the firstfruits Rapture of the Church. The puzzle ends between December 25, 2013, and January 4, 2014. I very strongly believe that the Rapture will take place on January 3/4, 2014. However, it is possible that the puzzle can end as early as December 25, 2013.
I can only conclude from the blindness of your post that you are being sent strong delusion, and it truly saddens me.
The trumps are well spelled out, and no question is faintly possible.
And that is Kingdoms (plural) have become the Kingdoms of Yehova. The one world kingdom was destroyed in the ten days of the wrath of Yehova contained in the bowls. It is gone before the Temple is revealed.
Revelation 11:18 speaks to the fulfillment of the prophecy in Psalms 2:1-7
[1] Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
[2] The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
[3] Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
[4] He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
[5] Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
[6] Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
[7] I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
The continuation from 11:19 proceeds from chapter 15:5, chapters 12:1 through 15:4 are a parenthetical overview, commencing with the beginning of the nation of Israel, then jumping to Satan's removal from the Throne room, and the casting down and confined to Earth with his angels, at which time he set out to torment “the Woman,” Israel, at which time Israel is sent to a prepared refuge in the wilderness to ride out the 3.5 years of the tribulation, so Satan turns to the tribulation of “the remnant,” the people that keep the commandments of Yehova, and have the testimony of Yeshua.
Chapter 12 is very clear proof that God's people will be tormented by Satan in the tribulation.
Chapter 13 is a quick overview of the Beast kingdom that arises at that time.
Chapter 14 describes the rapture if the “first fruits” at the 7th trump, and the commencement of Yehova’s wrath on Babylon, and the simultaneous preaching of the gospel to the inhabitants of the Earth. Verses 12 and 13 may be the most troubling verses in the Bible for believers, as it says that many will not be raptured before, but killed for their faith.
Reading these verses in ch 14 makes it understandable that the weak in faith invented the pre-trib rapture, and it will cause the faith of many to fail.
The supernatural endurance required to “endure unto the end” is not in us, but in Jesus, who paid the full price for our eternal souls: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast” (Eph. 2:8-9).
Preach all you want on your works based salvation but it is not the gospel preached by the apostles and is thus “another gospel”.
>>Its unfortunate that they didn’t foresee the rise of Pagan Nicean and pre-trib apostasy, or they could have added additional teaching to avoid the damage those vile ideas produce.<<
Seriously? The Holy Spirit who inspired them what to write couldn’t see the future?
>> “You REALLY got this from reading ALL of Acts 15?” <<
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Yes, very much so!
The entire ministry of Paul revolves around restoring the “Lost Sheep” of the House of Israel, and failure to grasp that is the reason why so few can understand Paul. He went to the “Olive bush,” and the “Wild” olive bush.
Yehova’s “elect” consist of the Remnant of Israel, and those that attach themselves thereto.
That is why Yeshua said “Few there be that find it.” (referring to the narrow gate)
I find it stunning that you use scripture so little to back up your assertions. Even when you do it’s taken out of context.
The Holy Spirit inspired them to write to Yehova’s elect!
There is nothing added to goad anyone else into understanding.
Enduring does not require any more than a true commitment to Yeshua. Some make that commitment, and some do not. He only wants those that do. Obedience is not “works based salvation,” it is the result of love. Some have it, some do not.
Your post makes it sound like you resent having to be obedient; I hope that is not so.
The scripture is posted in this thread repeatedly, so save your attack, it is utterly false. Every word of that post was previously backed up thoroughly in this thread, whether you chose to read it or not.
100 to go
I have seen you post this before and if not mistaken you see the first seal broken in the time of Constantine. Is that correct? On another issue, based on your view of the timing of the first seal circa Constantine, do you see the following passage in Luke 21 as the AD 70 destruction of Jerusalem, a future destruction of Jerusalem or possibly both?
Luke 21:
20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
The above seems to be the "peg" partial and full prederists hang their hat that most if not all (full prederists) Bible prophecies are fulfilled. Let me say, from your comments I know you are not a prederists of any stripe, just trying to understand how you see the first seal around the time of Constantine, yet Luke 21 shows the 70AD destruction of Jerusalem.
I mostly see the prophecy on Jerusalem as the coming scene.
It could apply to both. Revelation’s destruction appears to primarily be centered on Jerusalem. Yehova will hold back his protection once the “Woman” is taken to the prepared refuge.
100 what to go?
Don’t forget that those “gentiles” happen to be mostly out of covenant members of the “House of Israel” in dispersion.
The council was trying to bring them back together, but not scare them away. Shock therapy is rarely effective, nice and easy does it. The council’s conclusion protected their health, physically, and spiritually.
Reading just a little is how every cult gets its start, including the Nicean cult.
There is another possibility maybe we should ask editor-surveyor before feeding him to the RF wolves:
The Hebrew Roots movement is related to a subgroup known as "Christian Hebrew Roots." This subgroup follows the Ten Commandments (Ex 20:3-17) and the feasts of the Lord (Lev 23:1-44), but like mainstream Christianity it believes that all other Old Testament requirements have been "done away with".[19]
The Christian Hebrew Roots movement rejects many of the same practices of mainstream Christianity that the Hebrew Roots movement rejects. In particular, they reject the Catholic Church's "transubstantiation" doctrine, and instead follow what it sees as the biblical teachings set forth in the New Testament regarding the "nature of Communion" as a symbol of Christ's body instead of the literal body and flesh of Jesus. This, they deduce from the words Jesus spoke to describe what they call an "amendment" to the Passover service being symbolic and not literal (in accordance with how they interpret the New Testament Greek).[20]
The Christian Hebrew Roots movement does not teach a return to the law as dispensed by the scribes who Jesus rebuked as hypocrites. They interpret the "law" as pertaining to the Torah, and not the Jewish Oral Law, as the Hebrew Roots movement interprets it.[21][not in citation given] Instead, the Christian Hebrew Roots movement follows what it claims is the worship pattern of Jesus, whom they claim freed mankind from the yoke of the letter of the law; and, in fulfilling the law, Jesus taught Christians to practice only the Ten Commandments and feasts of the Lord which make up "the acceptable year of the Lord"[22] in his speech inaugurating his personal earthly ministry.
This main distinction between the two groups is that followers of the Hebrew Roots movement understand the word "fulfill" (playroo G4137), found in Matthew 5:17, to mean "fill up" specifically with meaning. This is in contradistinction to "destroy" (kataluo G2647) with which it is contrasted earlier in the same verse. fulfill is also found to mean to place the commandments of God "on a firmer footing by interpreting them correctly in terms of God's ultimate will as He originally intended for His commandments to be obeyed",[23] and not dispensing with them as something that has been "done away" by the atoning work of Jesus Christ, as Christian Hebrew Roots followers define it.
Both movements include adherents who are of Jewish heritage as well as Gentile heritage. The Christian Hebrew Roots movement is completely nondenominational, consisting of persons from many different religious backgrounds[24] and teaches adherence to the health laws of the Torah but not the portions of the Torah which it believes were abandoned by Jesus. As such, they function as a sort of "bridge" between true Hebrew Roots theology and mainstream Christianity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_Roots#Christian_Hebrew_Roots_Movement
I agree. I also do not condemn brothers and sisters who do observe, today, "days and weeks, feasts etc." As long as those observances do not replace Grace through faith, we are told not to bother each other about it.
In your view the church endures until the end of the trumpets in Revelation?
>> “When one gets their beliefs from some entity other than scripture the paths to error are many and wide” <<
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That does indeed sound like it is your problem.
Hal Lindsay books are guaranteed to obscure Yehova’s word and set one up for a failure of their faith.
I am surprised no one has discussed Revelation 4:4 on this thread or did I miss it?
That is exactly what Yeshua said in Matthew 24, and what Paul said in 1Corinthians 15.
>> “I am surprised no one has discussed Revelation 4:4 on this thread” <<
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Really surprised?
The 24 elders identity has never been satisfactorily addressed by anyone so far.
Have at it!
Once more you inject your wishes. I have never read any of Hal Lindsay’s material. I know that back in the eighties he was said to have set some dates for the rapture but that is the extent of what I know of his beliefs. I thought that was wrong then and still do.
Using the same tactics as the Catholics won’t work any better for you than it does for them.
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