Posted on 12/23/2013 7:16:44 PM PST by Uri’el-2012
Why I believe the Rapture of the Church
will take place between December 25, 2013,
and January 4, 2014
The Lord has been giving me pieces to a puzzle for the last 13 years, leading me to the date for the firstfruits Rapture of the Church. The puzzle ends between December 25, 2013, and January 4, 2014. I very strongly believe that the Rapture will take place on January 3/4, 2014. However, it is possible that the puzzle can end as early as December 25, 2013.
Please show where God ever subjected His faithful followers to His wrath.
Yep, the ones that think they're flying away are going to hook up with the antiChrist, because that's going to be his message.
No charts needed with understanding of scripture. I just have one question to determine where you are coming from. Do you believe that Israel as a nation will once again be dealt with for a period of time as they were prior to the birth of Christ.
Job.
There are numerous obstacles to the resurrection for the present.
To put in the general sense, Daniel’s 70th week has to pass, and the 7th trump will tell the entire world when the resurrection begins. The biggie is as Yeshua stated, the abomination has to stand on the mercy seat of the Ark and declare himself to be God, for the tribulation to even begin.
No trib, no rapture.
I have. You are right. Merry Christmas!
>> “Please show where God ever subjected His faithful followers to His wrath” <<
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The tribulation is Satan’s wrath; Yehova’s wrath is the ten days following the end of the trib.
That wasn’t God’s wrath. God simply allowed Satan to torment and attack Job.
We’ve been through this before Editor. The wrath of God began in Chapter 6 or Revelation and is the entire seven year period. I won’t discuss it with you again. We will simply agree to disagree.
I know but I see it as close enough.
You need not discuss it with me, but I will not allow people to be deceived by pre-trib nonsense.
The tribulation is Satan’s last hurrah, lasting 42 months, wherein he tribulates Yeshua’s sheep for 42 months, beginning with the abomination at Purim, just exactly as Yeshua told it in Matthew 24, and as Paul told it to the Corinthians and the Thessalonians, at the last trump we will be gathered to meet him and his angels in the cloud.
Yehova’s wrath begins right after that. It lasts ten days, between Yom Teruah, and Yom Kippur, at which point the marriage feast occurs.
that doesn’t count. We are talking God’s wrath on an unbelieving world.
One day you will understand prophesy.
I understand it thoroughly, and have full understanding of the timing of the end,and how it is completely demonstrated by the feasts, all 8 of them are part of it.
How about Sodom and Gomorrah, or Pharaoh and his army chasing Moses across the Red Sea, or the deaths of the first born of the kingdom? What do you think of them apples? Merry Christmas!
If you mean to ask am I a dispensationalist, the answer is an emphatic no. If you mean do I think the term "elect" in Matthew 24 refers to the Jews and not Christians, the answer is again no.
Do I think the Tribulation is about Israel, no. You find a lot more mention of the saints than of Israel in Revelation, especially:
Rev 12:14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach.
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17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.
followed up with
Rev 13:8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.
9 Whoever has ears, let them hear.
10 “If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity they will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword they will be killed.” This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of God’s people.
These verses suggest no one will be saved during the Tribulation, and the saints (Lamb's book of life) will be persecuted.
BTW, my favorite pre-trib invention is the 144,000 greatest missionaries of all time, and the great revival they bring about. Never found anything remotely close to that in scripture, but it must be maintained to explain the multitudes that are saved after the pre-trib rapture.
I concur! In the NT, the word "tribulation" is mentioned 15 times, and 10 are those uses concern Christian Tribulation, and 3 concern the great tribulation. Only 2 refer to unbelievers. The Great Tribulation is the persecution of the saints, i.e. us!
Consider this:
Rev 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
and this
Rev 21:9 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”
10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.
According to scripture, the bride of Christ is the city, New Jerusalem, not the church.
LOL You’re trying so hard here but only end up pointing to examples of how God will deal with His faithful followers. Look at my question again.
“Please show where God ever subjected His faithful followers to His wrath.”
In your examples.
When did God reign down His wrath on Sodom and Gomorrah? After His faithful followers were out of the destruction zone right? Moses and the Israelites were led safely away from the red sea before the destruction of Pharaoh and his army. The faithful Israelite firstborn were saved by the blood of the lamb and not subject to the wrath which really wasn’t the wrath of God anyway but the wrath or Harrod. I’ll give you one more. Noah and his family of faithful followers were “taken up” in the Ark out of the destruction.
The faithful followers of Christ will be “caught up” and “kept from the wrath to come” just as all faithful followers of God have been in the past. There is a distinction between persecution and wrath. Jesus told us there would be persecution by the enemy but we are to pray that we are worthy to escape the wrath to come.
Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Merry Christmas to you and yours.
That’s what I figured. Not understanding the prophesy of Daniel leads to all kinds of error. Israel as a nation was allotted 490 years before the end would come. There are seven years of that left unfulfilled. The re-gathering of the Israeli people and the re-establishment of Israel as a nation in 1948 should have been a clue to all believers.
God promised He would not totally destroy the nation of Israel.
Leviticus 26:44 And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I am the Lord their God. 45 But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I am the Lord.
God said He would re-gather them to their land.
Ezekiel 28:25 25 ‘Thus says the Lord God, “When I gather the house of Israel from the peoples among whom they are scattered, and will manifest My holiness in them in the sight of the nations, then they will live in their [a]land which I gave to My servant Jacob.
>>Do I think the Tribulation is about Israel, no. You find a lot more mention of the saints than of Israel in Revelation, especially:<<
There is no mention of the church (the body of Christ) after Revelation 4. The seven year tribulation is threefold. To bring punishment on an unbelieving world and an end to wickedness (Isaiah 13:9; 24:19-20), to bring about the repentance of the remnant of Israel, and to preach the gospel to all nations and tongues by the two witnesses and an angel (Revelation 14:6).
The “woman” of Revelation 12 is the nation of Israel who brought forth Christ and from whom the 144,000 will be selected and protected.
>>BTW, my favorite pre-trib invention is the 144,000 greatest missionaries of all time, and the great revival they bring about. Never found anything remotely close to that in scripture, but it must be maintained to explain the multitudes that are saved after the pre-trib rapture.
I agree. The 144,000 are not “missionaries”. The word will be preached by the two witnesses and an angel to all the nations, tongues, and people.
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