Posted on 12/17/2013 11:37:02 AM PST by NKP_Vet
Pope Francis commented recently on accusations of Marxism stemming from anti-market language employed in Evangelii Gaudium. Unfortunately overshadowed by his new status as TIME’s Person of the Year (apparently one of the few things that trumps a papal interview these days), the remarks are concise and support the reading of EG.
(Excerpt) Read more at ethikapolitika.org ...
Eventually, these liberals will find that Pope Francis is no Obama. And that he’s not the progressive/socialist/liberal that the msm makes him out to be. He’s probably going to be one of the most misunderstood Popes in history.
This is very consistent with Francis' prior statements about gays and Islam. Basically, "who am I to judge" seems to be his main philosophy. As long as something thinks they are doing good as they understand it, who are we to judge? Come on in and enjoy the new judgement free church!
All these gays and liberals who are fawning over Francis'indirect endorsement of their lifestyles will not, of course, actually be going to church or beleiving or anything. But it gets him on the cover of their magazines (and I mean not with a scary scowling picture like Benedict would get) so I guess that's good, right?
And once again we have the vatican or important church figures coming out to explain to us that Francis is actually still a catholic and we just don't understand him. Yay.
“In order to find solutions that will truly lead us forward, new economic ideas will be necessary.” — Since Capitalism is not a new economic idea, that would necessitate doing away with Capitalism.
“This is very consistent with Francis’ prior statements about gays and Islam. Basically, ‘who am I to judge’ seems to be his main philosophy. As long as something thinks they are doing good as they understand it, who are we to judge? Come on in and enjoy the new judgement free church!”
Nonsense! In the confessional, hopefully, the penitent has hopefully opened up his soul to the confessor as one opens a door to a room. In the setting where people are asking about gays in general, the pope is not acting as a confessor. He’s speaking objectively. Objectively, not even the pope has the right to judge a sinner. He can only judge what he sees, not what happens in the soul which he does not see. That is the judgment that the confessor is making. He is judging what has been confessed to him. He’s not making a general judgement over an entire population of people. That’s not how moral theology works. You should read the writing of St. Alphonsus de Ligouri on sin, confession and how to make judgements. Talk about stupid.
Socialism is an old, stiff, enfeebled ideology whose time has passed. It smells of mothballs, of the 19th-to-mid-20th century.
I agree it is nonsense. Convince the Catholic Church.
Did St Alphonsus refer to those with whom he disagreed as "stupid"? Better go check.
Sorry,
I just despise the media.
So I had a jerky knee reaction. my Bad.
This journalist kind of does this on purpose so it seems.
Pope Francis, however, plows into the subject without preparing the ground with any philosophical underpinings. In his Evangelii Gaudium, Pope Francis says:
... some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system.
To use Cardinal Ratzinger's word, that is a deterministic statement. It is also a terminally judgemental conclusion about a natural secular phenomenon. A few days later, Francis says that, ipse dixit, his previous economic observations were consistent with Church doctrine.
Pope Francis has staked out his radical position on the subject. Francis leaves no room to conclude that he may have misunderstood or misspoken. These statements should be juxtaposed with others that he has made concerning Church conservatives.
By contrast, in addressing the myriad divisive causes of socialism, such as abortion, homosexuality, and Islam, Pope Francis exhorts us not to be judgmental.
Honest question: who do you mean, in particular? "Church" has a lot of overlapping meanings, and when people make a short comment like this, what they seem to envision is "the Church" as monolith. Do you mean "define this as a doctrine"?
As to the doctrine, it does not seem the Church needs convincing, because the Church upholds private property, which is the basis (or one of the bases) of capitalism.
See Catechism #2401-2414 (Link).
(That's a lot of context, but Catholic doctrine is strongly dependent on these contexts, these interlacings of rights and duties.)
As to her leadership, the papacy and the Fathers and Doctors of the Church have been on record against Mammon (with the usual tug-o-war between "practicing" and "preaching") for 2000 years, and against Marxism for about 160.
I'd like to convince a LOT of Catholics of the dignity and the moral necessity of free enterprise. But is that what you mean by "convince the Church"?
Please excuse me if I am being unnecessarily obscure. (It's been a long day) What I'm getting at, is that all I have to convince the Church of, is Catholicism.
You obviously didn’t read my statement closely enough. I’m not the one who made those silly statements about Pope Francis. Your statements is what was stupid in the first place. Know the facts before you start mouthing off.
It appears that people have not read the article at all.
http://ethikapolitika.org/2013/12/16/benedict-defends-francis-markets-ethics/
Thanks for the papal bull, pius.
“It is clear that Francis has been steeped in this, and he would benefit from listening to Rush more”
No it would benefit him to listen to Pope Benedict a little more. The man has more brains in his little toe than most men have in their heads.
“Basically, “who am I to judge” seems to be his main philosophy”
He was specifically speaking of a particular priest who was caught up in homosexual allegations and repented and was trying to get on with his life. In this case, “who is anyone to judge”.
But you know what, from the minute that Francis uttered these now famous words he has been lambasted as a homosexual-loving, leftwing marxist of the first degree, by those that you would think would be supporting him.
I do wish he would shut up, but that’s not his style. I personally can’t wait for him to “clarify” the Catholic teachings on sodomites, women clergy and abortion. Then the honeymoon with the media is over. The usual suspects of Catholic Church bashers, who have not had a Pope to criticize in years, will continue the onslaught. But who cares? The pope is infallible in matters of faith and morals. His personal opinions on the economy don’t amount to a hill of beans.
“Come on in and enjoy the new judgement free church”
Try reading the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
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