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To: Tennessee Nana; af_vet_1981; MHGinTN
>>God would curse Jacob for his deception..<<

Where do you find that God cursed Jacob? You can’t use Genesis 27:12 for that because that was only Jacob worrying that he might be cursed. God said that He loved Jacob but hated Esau.

Malachi 1:2 I have loved you, saith the Lord. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob, 3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

God blessed Jacob.Esau sold his birthright because he was hungry in the here and now without regard for the future. A lesson for those who live in the here and now and give nor regard to eternity?

>>Esau gave Jacob something that he was not entitled to have<<

No he didn’t. God had ordained the Esau would serve Jacob long before they were born.

Genesis 25:23 And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

God chose Jacob not for what he did but through his grace and for purposes which are a mystery to man. Jacob did not deserve to be chosen any more than any one of us deserve to be chosen.

>>asnd I’ll teach ya some more about whats between the covers of the Christian Bible..<<

No thanks. I get enough of the carnal understanding of scripture already.

398 posted on 12/23/2013 6:36:08 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

“No he didn’t. God had ordained the Esau would serve Jacob long before they were born.” ... Is it your opinion then that because God can see the future before it arrives that by not changing that future He is ordaining it ... at every juncture? Sorry, that is not an attribute I could endorse about God. For you see, if the evil one can get God into a tit for tat activity tgen the one causing bad things is making God lesser than the one He would be tasked into constantly opposing. Opposition to the intents of the evil one is OUR JOB to act out, until God calls ‘that’s enough’. We do it by the power of God’s Holy Spirit within our human ‘come alive’ spirit. That is one of the great mysteries of human existence, that God builds us up by giving us the earnest of our inheritance while still in the flesh so that we may be conquerors. When God looks at a Christian, Whom does He see in your place? Whose Righteousness rests upon you or Jacob/Israel, Abraham, as a mantle there by Grace not works?


399 posted on 12/23/2013 9:44:07 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: CynicalBear

God said that He loved Jacob but hated Esau.
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but God never said that PRIOR to Genesis 27:12

and Isaac the man of God loved Esau Genesis 25:27

while the mother Rebekah loved Jacob Gen 25:27

God did not say the He loved Jacob...

at the time of Gen 27:12 Jacob was worried that God would curse him for his deception..I never said that God would I said Jacob knew that he was about to deceive both his brother and his father and knew that God would curse him for it..

Jacob KNEW he was doing wrong..

but it was Rebekah’s idea and she egged him on, even saying that God just might curse her instead..obeying his mother was not a righteous Godly course..it was one of greed and conniving and DECEPTION..

though in all likelihood God would curse them both..

NOW however I will say that Jacob was cursed by God..

what goes around comes around etc..

do you really think the 20 years of deception that Jacob got from Laban was an accident ???

Jacob knew it was a payback time and he didn’t know what to do about it..

do you notice that Jacob doesn’t seem to have run to God about his problem with Laban ???

and yet he knew from watching his father Isaac that he could ask God what to do about the trouble he was having with Laban..

so Jacob just stewed and endured for years instead..

Until God finally intervened and moved Jacob and his family out...after Jacob had been punished and learned his lesson...

I don’t think the Jacob of those first 20 years would have humbly approached his brother again..

(although Jacob did make a human shield of his wives and children to go and meet Esau so he wasn’t man enough yet..)


400 posted on 12/23/2013 3:15:13 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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