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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
You ask, “Do they need the indwelling of the Holy Spirit?” I’d toss back to you, in what way os that acheived given that Christ, at His ascension, said that He (all persons of Trinity) wouold be with us untill the end of the age? The Holy Spirit has been poured out on God’s creation. How is it mankinf “needs” such a indwelling when it exists. (Kinda like water...do you need to hydrate to stay alive and if you deny that water “is” what is the physical result?)

I think we're worlds apart on this. Scripture teaches in it's totality that yes, the holy spirit of God is poured out, but also that Christians, to become Christian, receive that spirit inwardly. That's what makes us Christians.

Rom 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

Scripture speaks again and again about the indwelling and how it's not automatic, but comes after repentance and baptism.

101 posted on 12/12/2013 3:10:29 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

:: that Christians, to become Christian, receive that spirit inwardly. That’s what makes us Christians ::

Your recent post (quoted) hinges on the aspect of “become Christian”. To follow through on you position, that is “completed” by a ^reception of the Spirit inwardly^.

To avoid the typical “where do you find that terminology or string-of-words in Scripture (avoiding eisegesis), I’ll simply ask, “in what way is the Holy Spirit made to dwell” in man (provided you agree that Christ died as the propitiation of mankind’s sin on the Cross).


108 posted on 12/12/2013 3:25:27 PM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Faith, in the Christian sense, is verb, not a noun.)
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To: DouglasKC

[Scripture speaks again and again about the indwelling and how it’s not automatic, but comes after repentance and baptism.]

Acts 10:43-48 NASB

Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.” While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message. All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered, “Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?” And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.


173 posted on 12/12/2013 7:29:23 PM PST by redleghunter
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