"If God says He is a rewarder of all those who diligently seek Him and that He WILL be found when we search for Him with all our hearts,"

Are you saying that anyone that didn't hear of God in this life is going to hell? Please clarify.

"then I'm gonna believe Him over a false religion that teaches souls"

In 1838, the Prophet Joseph Smith was asked, "Wherein do you differ from other sects?" He answered by saying, "In that we believe the Bible, and all the other sects profess to believe their interpretations of the Bible and their creeds."

That's very profound and very true.

"...then I'm gonna believe Him over a false religion that teaches souls can be saved AFTER they die by proxy baptism and/or spirit missionaries.

1 Peter 3: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

After Jesus died and before the resurrection, He went to the spirit world and taught the people there. And in 4:6 it is described why.

1 Peter 4:
6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

The gospel was/is preached to the dead so that they can have a fair chance of accepting it. Because God is fair and just.

"Wrong! Man looks on the outside, God looks on the heart:"

God looks at both.

John 9:
4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.

Jesus said that even He is commanded to do works.

James 2:17
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

There is no faith with out works.

Revelation 20:12
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Every person is judged by their works.

Titus 2:7
7 In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,

Good works prove we have faith. Doing the exact works of that Jesus commands proves that we have faith in Him.

Baptism for the dead is in the top three works God has given us. As it is shown in Titus, a pattern of good works must be shown. When the books are opened and your life is judged, can you say you did the work for your dead that the Lord has commanded you to do?

1 Cor 15:
29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

There was a false belief of some of the Jews at that time that there was no resurrection. Paul mentions the doctrine baptism for the dead while trying to correct this false doctrine which was being taught at the Church in Corinth.

They did it because Jesus taught them to. They were Jesus' true Church. We do it because Jesus taught us to. Because we are Jesus' true Church.

Malachi 4:
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:

6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

This prophesy is about genealogy work. Turning our hearts to our ancestors.

The prophet Elijah has already returned.

"Elijah appeared to Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery in the Kirtland Temple.
Joseph Smith described the appearance of the ancient prophet Elijah to him and Oliver Cowdery on April 3, 1836, in the Kirtland Temple, later recorded in Doctrine and Covenants 110:13–16: “Another great and glorious vision burst upon us; for Elijah the prophet, who was taken to heaven without tasting death, stood before us, and said:"

I don't see why you don't just throw out the Holy Bible and replace it with a Holy Index Card. It would just have one line on it, "Believe Jesus is Lord and you'll be saved!"

I think that would simplify your whole argument and totally give you deniability for all the writings that cause confusion. The HIC. I won't even copyright it. You can claim all the credit.

The rest of the Bible only helps us Mormons. Like 1 Cor 15:40-41. Modern "Christianity" makes no reference to it. Mainly because they don't know anything about it. We Mormons talk about it all the time. It's central to the Lord's plan of salvation. And the Lord has revealed a ton about the different glories to the latter-day prophets.

The HIC is the perfect way to dismiss all of that stuff. I bet you could make a lot of money off something like that to. So see... I'm helping you out.

It'll make the evangelical argument so much easier to swallow.... well, right up till the judgment anyways.

Are you saying that anyone that didn't hear of God in this life is going to hell? Please clarify.

I'm saying that we cannot limit God and, since He says that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him, He WILL be found no matter who or what stands in the way. Nobody will be in hell who never had a chance to learn the truth. How they reacted to the light God gave, determines how much more light they are given. Do you believe living in a Communist and atheistic country can prevent a sincere seeker of God from hearing the truth? Think back on Abraham, who lived in a polytheistic society, yet God was found by him because Abram sought for Him.

In 1838, the Prophet Joseph Smith was asked, "Wherein do you differ from other sects?" He answered by saying, "In that we believe the Bible, and all the other sects profess to believe their interpretations of the Bible and their creeds." That's very profound and very true.

It's incredibly stupid and false. Smith set out to reform the Bible into his own perverted interpretation of the gospel and the one he preached is accursed because it is NOT the one Paul delivered through the Holy Spirit. JS was a con man, horn dog who broke every commandment God ever gave. Following after him is a sure way to join him in hell.

1 Peter 3: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; After Jesus died and before the resurrection, He went to the spirit world and taught the people there. And in 4:6 it is described why. 1 Peter 4: 6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. The gospel was/is preached to the dead so that they can have a fair chance of accepting it. Because God is fair and just.

The JS version may teach you that but what that Scripture is talking about is the souls of those in paradise before the death of Jesus and that, when he died, he lead them into heaven. By His sacrifice, heaven was now opened to all believers. In fact, Ephesians 4:7-16 says this:

But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it. This is why it says:

“When he ascended on high, he took many captives and gave gifts to his people.”

(What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions? He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.) So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming. Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ. From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.

So, not only did Christ preach to the souls He was leading up to heaven - and they were ALREADY believers and saved - He also gave gifts to those here on earth - the gifts of the Holy Spirit so that He would equip his people for works of service to build up the Body of Christ. God IS fair AND merciful and He never turns anyone away who earnestly seeks Him. It is appointed unto man ONCE to die and after this the judgment. You don't get a "second chance" to believe once you've died. That's just more of JS's accursed gospel.

Good works prove we have faith. Doing the exact works of that Jesus commands proves that we have faith in Him.

Yes, our outward acts demonstrate an inward change, A genuine rebirth in Christ will result in a life that seeks to please God in all we do. But, our works are not what saves us - it is by the grace of God and NOT by our works, because NO ONE may boast before God and be able to claim they earned or merited their salvation. Once you understand grace, you will start to understand the place of good works in our lives.

Baptism for the dead is in the top three works God has given us. As it is shown in Titus, a pattern of good works must be shown. When the books are opened and your life is judged, can you say you did the work for your dead that the Lord has commanded you to do?

More JS accursed gospel. There is no "baptism for the dead". What Paul was talking about was NOT some new sacrament that Christians were expected to do but one of many wild practices of various religions who thought they could help a dead loved one by being a proxy or stand in for them in some kind of sacramental action. Paul was talking about the resurrection here and how futile EVEN that kind of a thing would be if there was no resurrection of the dead. What Mormonism did is invent a new sacramental practice of baptisms for dead people they didn't even KNOW or who NEVER showed any intention of following Christ in baptism. Did Paul or any of the Apostles go back and address this practice and spell it how how it should be done for Christians? NO. If anything, it was a casual mention of a practice some people did which would be pointless if no one got a resurrection body. It's not uncommon at all for cults to do this kind of thing - take a snippet of a verse and try to build a whole new MANDATORY religion around it. Sorry, but I don't need a new religion, I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that HE is able to guard what I have entrusted to him until the day of his return.

This prophesy is about genealogy work. Turning our hearts to our ancestors. The prophet Elijah has already returned. "Elijah appeared to Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery in the Kirtland Temple. Joseph Smith described the appearance of the ancient prophet Elijah to him and Oliver Cowdery on April 3, 1836, in the Kirtland Temple, later recorded in Doctrine and Covenants 110:13–16: “Another great and glorious vision burst upon us; for Elijah the prophet, who was taken to heaven without tasting death, stood before us, and said:"

I have a family member who says he IS Elijah the Prophet, but he is currently in a federal psychiatric facility and may be for some time. I wouldn't put a lot of stock in what "people" say they saw or heard. Just sayin'.

Still babbling on, I see... Ignoring your DAMNATION that BY said was coming your way. (#173) I wish that I had nerves of steel like that.

Joseph Smith described the appearance of the ancient prophet Elijah to him and Oliver Cowdery on April 3, 1836, in the Kirtland Temple, later recorded in Doctrine and Covenants 110:13–16: “Another great and glorious vision burst upon us; for Elijah the prophet, who was taken to heaven without tasting death, stood before us, and said:"

I see no evidence at all that this is NOT a demon from HELL being spoken of!

Joseph didn't follow his OWN method of detecting deception!!!

The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 129

Instructions given by Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, 9 February 1843, making known three grand keys by which the correct nature of ministering angels and spirits may be distinguished (see History of the Church, 5:267).

1–3, There are both resurrected and spirit bodies in heaven; 4–9, Keys are given whereby messengers from beyond the veil may be identified.

1 There are two kinds of beings in ^aheaven, namely: ^bAngels, who are ^cresurrected personages, having ^dbodies of flesh and bones—

2 For instance, Jesus said: Handle me and see, for a spirit hath not ^aflesh and bones, as ye see me have.

3 Secondly: the ^aspirits of ^bjust men made ^cperfect, they who are not resurrected, but inherit the same glory.

4 When a messenger comes saying he has a message from God, offer him your hand and request him to shake hands with you.

5 If he be an angel he will do so, and you will feel his hand.

6 If he be the spirit of a just man made perfect he will come in his glory; for that is the only way he can appear—

7 Ask him to shake hands with you, but he will not move, because it is contrary to the ^aorder of heaven for a just man to ^bdeceive; but he will still deliver his message.

8 If it be the ^adevil as an angel of light, when you ask him to shake hands he will offer you his hand, and you will not ^bfeel anything; you may therefore detect him.

9 These are three grand ^akeys whereby you may know whether any administration is from God