Appears about time for an Elsiethon, complete with the evidence of little Joey Smith as a false prophet.
Will you continue to bluster and blab and IGNORE your own 'prophet'??
Nope...they were just as wrong and misled as your Brigham Young followers were at the Mountain Meadows Massacre. (I warned you before about throwing those stones from glass houses.)
The followers of God have always gone to a prophet for understanding and clarification of scripture. "Christianity" has no prophets. Which is why they can't agree on something as simple as baptism.
God SPOKE to His people through prophets and they WROTE down their revelation in a form that could be preserved long after the prophets had all died. Sacred Scripture is part of God's plan and the Holy Spirit leads His own into all truth. We don't need a "prophet" today to tell us what Scripture means because we HAVE the Holy Spirit. Disagreements over certain issues doesn't mean that what God gave us is insufficient, just that some people want to hold onto their own understanding and won't yield to God's leading. It doesn't mean the truth isn't there waiting for them. But there are some points where there is liberty and not everything is cut and dried for every person. On the MAJOR things - the tenets that comprise what Christianity IS - there is a genuine unity, even across denominational lines.
And I'm supposed to believe their private scripture interpretations have some special truth? It's no different than the religious people at the time of Jesus. They studied their scriptures but couldn't see that Jesus was the Christ even though He was standing right in front of them. They didn't consult the prophets or God.
Scripture interprets Scripture. Words, in context, mean what they say - these are general rules for Biblical Hermeneutics, the process of Biblical interpretation.
Actually, it was a clear and straightforward answer that included Holy Scripture. I know it and, if you don't, you alone can figure out the implications for why you can't or won't."
I won't because that teaching is wrong. Teach a correct principle and I'll agree with you.
You will have to use the Bible to convince me that I am wrong and you are right about Jesus and His intrinsic sinlessness. I reject the Mormon version of the Bible as well as your other "scripture". You claim to believe the Bible, I believe the Bible, let's discuss the point using only the Bible since we can both agree with its authority, deal?
"Nowhere in the Bible can you point to that says this."
I get this from the prophets. However, it's all over the Bible. It's pretty simple actually. It makes sense that God's people know Him. He's not a mystery to Latter-day Saints because He's revealed the truth to us.
See above. Your "prophets" as well as your "revealed truth" are unacceptable in authority to me and I stand by my assertion that you will find NO PLACE in the Bible where God the Father had a flesh and bone body or was once a man.
"Now He does. But prior to his incarnation, he didn't."
True. We can agree on something. Now, does a child grow up to be like their parent?
Sometimes, but not always. Jesus, the man, was ALWAYS God and he took on human flesh to be our redeemer.
"Jesus was sinless from all eternity, having a human nature did not remove that part of his attributes. The difference between us and Jesus is that we cannot be sinless, we have all sinned and fall short of God's perfection"
Here's where we part. How could Jesus be tempted if He didn't have the choice to choose good or evil? Being a "son of the morning", being a person of authority in heaven, being in the very presence of God the Father didn't remove Lucifer's agency to choose.
Jesus and Lucifer are not "brothers". Lucifer was a created being, an angel, who chose to rebel against God and was cast out of heaven. Jesus is the eternal Son of God, with the Father from all time, and His sinlessness was because of His Divine nature. I can show you these teachings all throughout Scripture (and I have). If you reject them, it is on your own head.
Jesus had the choice, He never would have, but He did have the choice to choose evil. This is why God the Father spoke out of Heaven when Jesus was baptized, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." He was pleased because Jesus was following the commandments perfectly. (Of course to testify publicly that this was His Son also)
Why do you say "he never would have" chosen evil? If you really believe he had a choice - the same choice you say WE have - then explain why you said that?
"Yes, he did because he was GOD"
He lead a sinless life because He chose to. There is a lot more to it than that...but I'm not going to go there at this time. Being part God gave Him the power over death. To die only when He choose to. When He bled at every pour in Gethsemane, it would have killed a mortal man. Being scourged and stabbed and hung on the cross would have killed a mortal man... but Jesus didn't die until He chose to, after He has finished His final task on the cross.
He led a sinless life because he was/is Almighty God incarnate. He suffered, bled and died for our sins at the cross and then arose for our justification. Jesus said, "No one can take my life from me. I sacrifice it voluntarily. For I have the authority to lay it down when I want to and also to take it up again. For this is what my Father has commanded." (John 10:18)
"The two witnesses during the Tribulation will not be speaking to me - though I already believe what they will be saying - as I will already have been taken up in the Rapture."
Begs the question, what are two righteous men doing on the earth if the rapture has already happened?
They are the two witnesses sent by God to preach the gospel to those who were left behind after the Rapture and to the Jews especially during the Tribulation. They will warn the entire world of the coming great and terrible day of the Lord when God will judge the world.
No, that's another heresy of modern "Christianity". Well I should say part of "Christianity". There's a side that disagrees with that as well. If you survive the destruction that's going on, you'll be here.
I don't deny there is disagreement about the Rapture, but I guess we'll see who is right when it happens. If you are a believer in Jesus Christ as Savior then you will still be taken up whether or not you believe in a Rapture. The Bride of Christ is not going to endure the Tribulation - the time of "Jacob's Trouble" (see Jeremiah 30). We will be with the Bridegroom (Christ) at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.
These two prophets have stood before God. They speak the truth directly from God. What if, they teach the law of baptism, in a way that God wants it. In a way that you can't verify in your Bible. By what you've said already, you'll discredit them immediately.
They will be preaching Jesus the Messiah and the Gospel of the grace of God and His coming terrible judgment upon the whole earth for the wickedness and abominations of its inhabitants. I have no fear of what these witnesses will say because I am already a blood-bought, born again child of Almighty God, heir and joint-heir with Jesus Christ. There is nothing that I believe that can't be verified in the word of God. It sounds as if it will be you and your fellow Mormons will be the ones facing God and explaining in to Him why you rejected the truth He gave you.
Will you come on this forum and blast them as false prophets?
Nope! Won't be here. Won't need to.
Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets,
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.
-- Hebrews 1:1-2