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To: boatbums
[boatbums]He replied, “Go tell that fox, ‘I will keep on driving out demons and healing people today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will reach my goal.’

[boatbums]So, rather than Jesus saying he had more things to do to "be perfect..."

Sure it does, if you conveniently change the words... How many new "Bibles" have Evangelicals put out now that change the wording to be more "convenient"?

I noticed that you didn't respond to the other scriptures I posted. Was that a bit too inconvenient?

[boatbums]Jesus, because He was Almighty God incarnate, was ALREADY sinless, he needed NOTHING in order to be made perfect.

Luke 2:52
52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.


Jesus increased in wisdom and increased in favor with God. How does the fact that He had to increase in favor with God figure into your understanding? The problem you're having is one of understanding the time line of events and the nature of God.

When Jesus was born on the earth He descended below all things. He had to do this in order to raise above all things, to be the greatest of all. He started from -0- and worked His way up basically. This what Luke 2 is conveying.

If you put the Book of Mormon with the Bible, you would know why Jesus had to have been born when He was and where He was. Also, why He didn't perform miracles in front of the Romans.

Matthew 5:48
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.


Jesus doesn't say "Be ye perfect even as I", because He was not considered "Perfected". His life was a perfect example to this point, but He hadn't endured till the end and He hadn't finished His work. There is a difference between "perfected" and "perfect".

Once He had completed His work and was resurrected, then He was perfected and is Almighty God, equal with His Father in all things.


123 posted on 12/03/2013 6:13:55 AM PST by StormPrepper
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To: StormPrepper; boatbums

How many new “books of mormon” have mormons put out now that change the wording to be more “convenient” ???

about 4,000 changes...

oh dear

the mormon god/gods have tended to change their minds a lot in 187 years since Joey Smith wrote his first book of mormon and invented mormonism ...

Why even the first one was “authored by Joseph Smith Junior”..

Tell me...

Do the break off group of mormons in SLC still give Joey Smith credit for his artistic contribution to their exclusive religious beliefs ???


130 posted on 12/03/2013 9:25:19 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: StormPrepper
Sure it does, if you conveniently change the words... How many new "Bibles" have Evangelicals put out now that change the wording to be more "convenient"?

Do you REALLY want to go here?

I predict that CHANGES to the BoM will now appear in this thread....

135 posted on 12/03/2013 12:36:41 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: StormPrepper
Sure it does, if you conveniently change the words... How many new "Bibles" have Evangelicals put out now that change the wording to be more "convenient"?

I think you Mormons have plenty of "conveniently" changed words in the Joseph Smith version of the Bible. I'd be careful with those stones you are throwing, living in that glass house and all.

I noticed that you didn't respond to the other scriptures I posted. Was that a bit too inconvenient?

It was inconvenient only because of the late hour in which I responded. I also tend to think that responses get lost in the crowd when a bunch of points are addressed in one post. What additional points would you like to hear my thoughts on?

The real problem I think Mormons have - and they are not alone in this - is that they start with a false concept about the Lord Jesus Christ and then interpret Scripture through those "colored glasses". However, if one starts with the truth that Almighty God, Jehovah, is the ONLY, TRUE GOD, that besides Him there is NO savior, that He ALONE is the Creator of all that exists or ever did exist, then the RIGHT view of who Jesus is can be understood. Jesus is Almighty God incarnate (in the flesh) just as prophecy said He would be. He is "God who saves us", Emmanuel/Jehoshua/Yeshua, as His very name means. And the Prophets of the Lord said that one day, Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. (Isaiah 7:14) and again, For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9:6)

In Mormonism, y'all believe that Almighty God was once a man who became a God, am I correct? Yet, throughout the word of God He says that he ALWAYS existed, that He is the "self-existent one", the I AM. How should an honest Bible student then understand verses that speak of Jesus as a man, yet who existed from all eternity as the Son of God? How should an honest Bible student understand verses that speak of Jesus, as a man, being in submission to the Father? How can one rectify what, on the surface, seems to be a contradiction? I'll tell you how...by being CONSISTENT in interpreting Scripture BY Scripture and not leaning to ones own human understanding. It takes the illumination of the indwelling Holy Spirit to make the word of God clear and it WILL be clear when we seek for truth with all our hearts. I encourage you to continue to seek for the truth.

137 posted on 12/03/2013 12:40:54 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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