19th century occultic Mormon phenomena: Paranormal intermingling, demonic possession [Vanity]

Colofornian | Oct. 31, 2013 | Colofornian

[Colofornian]

Latayne Colvett Scott wrote about her experiences in being "proxy baptized" on behalf of the dead when she was a Mormon teen. And even though the process is quite mechanical, activity at Mormon temples can range greatly from the mechanical to the mystical, where, Scott wrote:

"This sort of mechanical processing of proxies goes on daily in the...temples around the world. Literally millions of dead persons have had proxy baptisms done for them in this assembly-line fashion...the righteous dead can intermingle with and teach those who have not received the Gospel in mortal life."

[Colofornian]

Also just posted today: Mormonism and Visitations from the Dead [The OTHER World Series: Paranormal encouraged by church]

[svcw]

Well, given what mormonism is, this does not surprise me.

[WilliamRobert]

ANOTHER 15 MINUTES OF HATE FILLED RANTS BY A CRAZY NUT WHO KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT THIS TOPIC. WHY ARE YOU SO EVIL?

[WilliamRobert]

ANOTHER 15 MINUTES OF HATE FILLED RANTS BY A CRAZY NUT WHO KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT THIS TOPIC. WHY ARE YOU SO EVIL?

[Bodleian_Girl]

Great post Colofornian!

[Colofornian]

Btw...All this occultic stuff didn't "Die off" with the 19th century... Examples:

October, 1918: The Haunting of Lds 'prophet' Joseph F. Smith

Joseph Smith has dozens of accounts of the dead appearing to him. The Lds church thought so much of this that they put most of them in a 2007 book on the series of Lds "Presidents" ("Prophets").

A follow-up Lds "prophet" -- Joseph F. Smith -- claimed 91 years ago this month to see the hosts of the dead, both small and great...an innumerable company of the spirits of the just (D&C 138:11-12) -- and these spirits were just waiting for Mormon missionaries to come their way to be redeemed -- as JF Smith said that the Mormon jesus had prepared "the faithful spirits of the prophets who had testified of him in the flesh; That they might carry the message of redemption unto all the dead, unto whom he could not go personally, because of their rebellion and transgression, that they through the ministration of his servants might also hear his words. (D&C 138:37-38) Lds thought so much of more dead appearing to their "prophet" in 1918 that they added it to their "Scriptures"...(I think the occult world likes October for some reason)

Late 1970s or 1980-1981: The Evil Spirit Haunting of the Lds Brazilian Mission

"A few years ago while touring the missions of South America, I heard President William Grant Gangerter of the Brazilian Mission make some interesting comments. He reported that there had been a wave of incidents in which evil spirits were afflicting the missionaries and the Saints. At every conference the missionaries were relating experiences they were having with evil spirits. The intensity of their influence was frightening."
Come Unto Christ, Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, for 1984, 1988 published 1983, 1986 p. 109

And, just posted this thread: The Haunting of a Mormon Missionary in Ecuador [The OTHER World Series]

[Godzilla]

ANOTHER 15 MINUTES OF HATE FILLED RANTS BY A CRAZY NUT WHO KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT THIS TOPIC. WHY ARE YOU SO EVIL?

Hmmmmm, citing lds sources, lds journals, etc. Are you denying the content of those lds sources? If there is evil, then those sources contain that evil. You bleat would be more valid if you can provide documentation that those many, many sources are not correct rather than stomping your foot and yelling.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Did it really take you 15 minutes to read that short article?

Please provide any proof that Colofornian “ knows nothing about this topic”.

What do you know that he does not??

[TexasRepublic]

Capitalized rants, insults and name calling don’t make a convincing argument, do they? That is the only recourse for people without facts to make their case. Democrats use the same technique for the same reasons.

[Zakeet]

ANOTHER 15 MINUTES OF HATE FILLED RANTS BY A CRAZY NUT WHO KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT THIS TOPIC. WHY ARE YOU SO EVIL?

Yeah Colofornian ... how evil, insane and hateful you are to suggest there is any connection between Mormonism and the occult! It is obvious that you know nothing about the topic.

P.S. Please ignore the above picture of a whatcha-ma-call-it. It is an innocent and ancient symbol of Christianity that probably has nothing whatsoever to do with Mormonism

[Elsie]

WHY ARE YOU SO EVIL?

Bill; why are YOU yelling?

[Elsie]

ANOTHER 15 MINUTES OF HATE FILLED RANTS BY A CRAZY NUT WHO KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT THIS TOPIC.

It's usually 3 minutes; but today (Halloween) you get more for your money...

[Elsie]

ANOTHER 15 MINUTES OF HATE FILLED RANTS BY A CRAZY NUT WHO KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT THIS TOPIC.

It's then up to YOU to educate the folks who are reading this thread.

[Elsie]

... I believe in freedom and Freepers.

I'll bet you 'believe' quite strongly that MORMONism is true.

[Elsie]

at LEAST it’s not an inverted star!

[Zakeet]

at LEAST it’s not an inverted star!

You're right ... there's none of them baphomets and pentagrams to be found anywhere near a sacred Mormon temple ... no siree!

[StormPrepper]

Typical anti-Mormon tactic, when you lack substance; lie.

Everyone has their free agency, you can lie and choose evil and you can can fight against God all you want. You can try to deceive people all you want too.

God allows that...for now.

Let's start at the top. The use of hyperbolic terms and guilt by association tactics to try to discredit the subject of your essay is unsophisticated and low. Walter Martin, John Smith, Fawn Brodie, et all would be proud.

Trying to drum up visions of Hollywood horror movies by stringing together words like "occultic", "Mormon phenomena", "Paranormal intermingling" (been watching the sci-fi channel I'm guessing), and "demonic possession"

This is exactly the tactic the democrats use on conservatives all the time.

"Hate the poor", "Homophobic hate mongers", "domestic terrorist", "War on Women", etc... we're all familiar with this kind of nonsense.

Half-truths, out of context quotes and outright lies. Congrats Colofornian, you've out done yourself.

I won't go through your entire post... I don't need to. Here's an example of a lie that the reader can easily.

Joseph Smith uses macabre setting – a funeral sermon – to first introduce the doctrine of necro-baptism

"macabre setting", really? Necro-baptism? No where in the LDS scripture does the word "necro" appear anywhere. Mythical "Necromancers" handle dead bodies. "Necro-baptism" refers to actually baptizing an actual corpse. We do not baptize corpses, this is a lie.

”...who can drag into daylight and develop the hidden mysteries of the false spirits that so frequently are made manifest among the Latter-day Saints?”

You just loooove snipping little phrases that add to your over all nasty and unkind theme.

You've cheated your reader from seeing some of the wisest instruction ever given to man.

Here's an excerpt. You can find the whole thing here Under the heading: A Mason's Estimate of Nauvoo and the Prophet—Organization of the Female Relief Society—"Try the Spirits"—The Prophet's Editorial.

A man must have the discerning of spirits before he can drag into daylight this hellish influence and unfold it unto the world in all its soul-destroying, diabolical, and horrid colors; for nothing is a greater injury to the children of men than to be under the influence of a false spirit when they think they have the Spirit of God. -Joseph Smith, 1842

Joseph Smith becomes obsessed with the dead:

Joseph pondering on dead, in your words makes him "obsessed with the dead".

Innuendo and false dilemma are forms of lying.

Is the temple haunted? Were these indeed ghosts of the signers? Could they have been demons in disguise as ghosts?

Hollywood again "haunted", "demons", and "ghosts". It would be comical if it weren't so insulting to my intelligence. Take your pick in this false dilemma, it has to be evil, noooo other explaination exists, noooo siree. Key the creepy music "OOOOooOOO".

Maybe the God of Heaven, Isaac and Jacob, who is the Father of all, both the living and the dead, sends any messenger He wants depending upon His need.

1. Was Siani haunted with ghosts and demons when Moses talked with the burning bush?

2. Was Job communing with ghosts and demons when he heard the voice from on High?

3. Was it really God who told Abraham to go kill his first born son? Is that really what God would want him to do? Or using Colofornian's words, was Abraham a necromancer and talking with evil spirits?

4. When Eldad and Medad (Numbers 11)had a spirit rest on them and they prophesied.. we're they in a haunted place filled with ghosts and demons? Was it a demon that landed on them???

5. When David said God spoke to Him, how do we know it wasn't ghosts?

6. Jesus Himself met evil spirits face to face many times and so did the original Apostles. Were they necromancers and occultists too?

The OP is Colofornian's own work and it shows. It's filled with half truths, logical fallacies, insults, lies, and low brow scare tactics all to ensnare the reader.

What's worse it's an insult to the evangelical community as a whole.

[Colofornian]

Me: Joseph Smith uses macabre setting – a funeral sermon – to first introduce the doctrine of necro-baptism

You:
"macabre setting", really? Necro-baptism? No where in the LDS scripture does the word "necro" appear anywhere.

So you're suddenly hypersensitive about a word that just means "the dead?" What? Lds never use the word, "dead?"

But, hey, thanks for reminding me that I actually did a "break-out" broader on this subject two years ago: Smith used Lds funerals to introduce necro-baptism, 'becoming gods' [The OTHER World Series: Vanity]

Me:: Joseph Smith becomes obsessed with the dead:

Your response: Joseph pondering on dead, in your words makes him "obsessed with the dead".

Well, it helps if you don't wrest my commentary away from the content: Lds "apostle" Boyd Packer, 1980 book, The Holy Temple:
"The Prophet Joseph Smith...had received the revelations (sections 124, 127, 128, and 132) which pertain directly to this work.” [Re: the dead] “And during the last part of his life he said, 'This subject was upon my mind more than any other.'"

So the supreme attention-getter of ANY subject of Joseph's last 2 or 3 years becomes in your mind mere "ponderin'"...

And so the fact that he was more fixated upon the dead (ya know, those 'necro-ized' ones) than ANYBODY alive makes it sound like the image of Joseph you would like to portray...
...was simply a flesh-and-blood Auguste Rodin statue version (we've seen "The Thinker" statue...hand on chin)...
...philosophically ponderin' away...
...not realizing that what he was overly fascinated with happened to be more "stiff" than the marble Rodin's statue was made out of!

[Colofornian]

1. Was Siani haunted with ghosts and demons when Moses talked with the burning bush? 2. Was Job communing with ghosts and demons when he heard the voice from on High?

All: To understand the backdrop of Storm's comments here, ya need to understand one simple distinctive about Mormon doctrine: Their teaching that their heavenly father is but a "resurrected man."

I have in my hands a book written by a Mormon General Authority -- Milton R. Hunter -- published 1951/1972 under the title: Pearl of Great Price Commentary. The first words right out of Hunter's preface is the sanctioning for such a book by the Lds Church hierarchy: "For many years the General Authorities of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and probably the majority of its members, have felt a definite need for a Pearl of Great Price commentary." (p. v)

On page 54 of Hunter's book, he describes the Mormon "Godhead" as follows: "...the Godhead is componed of three separate and distinct persons, TWO of which have passed through mortality and are now RESURRECTED..."

So, per the Mormon god-view, since Heavenly Father is a resurrected man, should he appear to anybody on earth, why he's just a "ghost" or "spirit" appearing...or, somebody (like me, says SP) could make it out to be that way.

But sorry, SP. Heavenly Father was NEVER a man. He never sinned. And therefore, He didn't have to die. And, no, unlike His Son, He wasn't resurrected. Therefore, your reference here to Job, etc. is quite spurious.