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Posted on 10/18/2013 11:50:16 PM PDT by jodyel
For those who are not aware of the Catholic Churchs New Evangelization program, let me provide a brief overview. The Catholic Church plans to establish the kingdom of God on earth and win the world to the Catholic Jesus (i.e., the Eucharistic Christ). This will be accomplished when the world (including the separated brethren) comes under the rule and reign of Rome and this Eucharistic Jesus.
The Eucharistic Jesus is supposedly Christs presence that a Catholic priest summons through the power of transubstantiation, the focal point of the Mass. Many Christians believe the Christian tradition of communion is the same as the Catholic tradition of the Eucharist. But this is not so. The Eucharist (i.e., transubstantiation) is a Catholic term for communion when the bread and the wine are said to be transformed into the very body and blood of Jesus Christ. The Catholic Catechism states:
In the most blessed sacrament of the Eucharist the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity, of our Lord Jesus Christ and, therefore, the whole Christ is truly, really, and substantially contained.1
The host is then placed in what is called a monstrance and can then be worshiped as if worshiping Jesus Himself. The implications are tied directly to salvation itself. With the Eucharist, salvation becomes sacramental (participation in a ritual) as opposed to justification by faith in Christ alone, described in Galatians 2:16. While this mystical experience is a form of idolatry (as well as the very heart of Catholicism), there is a growing interest by evangelical Christians in this practice, particularly by the emerging church.
The Catholic Church leadership, concerned with apathy for the Eucharist within the Catholic ranks, is hoping to rekindle the amazement2 of the Eucharist through what is called their New Evangelization program.3 With a two-fold purposeto keep present Catholics and to bring evangelicals into the Catholic Churchchurch leadership has a plan to re-emphasize the Eucharist as the focus of the Catholic faith. By saying rekindle the amazement, they mean bring out the mystical, supernatural element of the Eucharist.
All Catholics are expected to worship the host (Eucharistic Adoration of the transformed wafer), and church leadership says it is anathema (to be accursed) to reject this teaching.
While it is true that during the Reformation and Counter Reformation, many who refused to believe in transubstantiation were tortured and executed for their faith in the Gospel, time has a way of forgetting the facts of history.
In April of 2003, the pope wrote an encyclical promoting the New Evangelization program for the purpose of rekindling amazement for the Eucharist.4 Then in October of 2004, John Paul II initiated The Year of the Eucharist as part of his evangelistic plan to bring the world to the Eucharistic Christ. Following his death in April of 2005, Pope Benedict XVI picked up Pope John Pauls mission immediately. He called the faithful to intensify devotion to the Eucharistic Jesus, and said the Eucharist is the heart of Christian life.5
The New Evangelization program plans to revitalize the Catholic faith by reigniting strong interest in the Eucharistic Jesus. It is not just the pope who is enthusiastic about thiscardinals, bishops, and priests all over the world are joining in to help with the mission. Something very significant is happening. Eucharistic adoration is becoming the foundation for the new evangelization of the Catholic Church.
In speaking of the popes view on the Eucharist, Protestant-turned Catholic Scott Hahn states:
The coming of Jesus Christ what the Greek New Testament calls his parousia is not simply some far-off event. It is his presence in the Eucharist. Fundamentalists reduce the meaning of parousia to Christs coming at the end of time; but for the first century Greek speakers the word meant presence. Catholic theology holds on to that original meaning.6
The presence of Christ in the Eucharist is the Second Coming Catholic style. Unfortunately, many evangelical Protestants are not even aware of this.
While Eucharistic adoration contradicts biblical Christianity, a growing number of popular evangelicals (especially those leaning toward emerging spiritualities) seem to find no offense in such a doctrine. And with the increased acceptance of mysticism and an attraction to imagery within evangelical circles, it only makes sense that many evangelical Christians find nothing wrong with the Eucharist and Eucharistic adoration. Such acceptance, however, is neutralizing former evangelical resistance to all things Catholic.
In Doug Pagitts book Church Re-imagined, he describes his initial attraction to rituals associated with the Eucharist:
The first day of Lent this year brought the first Ash Wednesday gathering in our churchs history and in mine . Until this point, Ash Wednesday had not been part of my Christian faith experience. Not only had I never applied ashes to anyones forehead, but I had also never had them applied to mine. After this experience I wondered how I could have celebrated 19 Easters as a Christian without this tremendous experience.7
Scot McKnight, another emerging church influencer and the author of The Real Mary and The Jesus Creed, in referring to an Anglican service, McKnight speaks of the Eucharistic focus. He states:
[T]he point of an Anglican gathering on a Sunday morning is not to hear a sermon but to worship the Lord through the celebration of the Eucharist First some scripture readings and then the sermon and then some announcements and then the Eucharist liturgywith everyone coming forward to kneel and participateâpubliclyin the body and blood.8
McKnight says that the Eucharist profoundly enables the grace of God to be received with all its glories and blessings.9 No doubt, McKnight will have an impact on those in the emerging church movement, and his views on the Eucharist will rub off. He has been a popular speaker at many events including Willow Creeks Small Group Conference and the National Pastors Convention. Both of these events have reached the postmodern generation.
The late Robert Webber was very influential in closing the gap between Eucharistic adoration and the evangelical church. A document he authored called A Call to an Ancient Evangelical Future states: We call for a renewed consideration of how God ministers to us in Eucharist.10 Two well-known evangelical publishers, Baker Books and InterVarsity Press (both of which now publish emerging church authors) sponsored the document as did Christianity Today. The AEF, which the document is called, is endorsed by various emerging church leaders such as Brian McLaren who calls it a preaching resource that emphasize[s] the importance of Advent or Lent.11
Participants of the AEF include numerous Christian seminaries like Bethel Seminary in Minnesota, Dallas Theological Seminary, and pastors from many different denominations including Nazarene, Wesleyan, Mennonite, Reformed, and Baptist.
To those who traditionally havent had much ritual in their lives (i.e., Protestants), the ambience of the Mass would have great appeal because of its religious novelty thus the interest in the Eucharist by those who promote contemplative spirituality. And for many Catholics, the Mass (where the Eucharist is presented), in, and of itself, is not a mystical experience. However if the contemplative dimension is added, one actually can enter the mystical realm. On the surface, this phenomenon seems complex, but once we begin to understand mysticism, it all makes sense. Within the contemplative prayer realm, the meditator is actually getting in touch with a spiritual power or force. Combining the tradition of the Eucharist, which appeals to many raised in the Catholic Church, with the relatively recent explosion of contemplative practice, the Catholic Church sees this as a way to recover its robust state of previous decades.
Right now, some may be asking, is the physical presence of Jesus held inside the elements of the Eucharist? Or as some evangelicals and emergents have suggested, is there a special presence and power in the Eucharist? The answer to both is a resounding no! Jesus Christ indwells the heart of every person who is born again and who belongs to Him by faith through grace. He promises never to leave or forsake us, meaning that His presence is in our lives at all times. We are not required to partake in a ritual to experience His presence, nor is He confined in benign, lifeless wafers and wine (or juice). As Jesus said:
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit [spiritual as opposed to physical], and they are life. (John 6:63, emphasis added)
Jesus said this in response to his disciples confusion over His statement my flesh is meat indeed (vs. 55). Paul adds further clarity in writing to the Romans that all we need to do is call upon the true Jesus, and He is there:
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. (Romans 10:8-13)
At this point, we see the great chasm that separates Catholicism from the light of the Gospel a light the reformers saw, for which many of them gave their lives. They recognized that participation in the sacraments is not what saves people.
The Catholics New Evangelization is no small issue. Darkness has fallen over the Christian church the same way an avalanche sweeps down a mountain. Every day new unsuspecting victims are being swept away and buried. And the role the emerging church plays in bringing this about is something that should alarm every discerning Christian.
To read more about the emerging church, read Roger Oaklands expose, Faith Undone.
Related:
WUERL: A new morning with Pope Francis
Notes: 1. Catechism of the Catholic Church, para. 1374, page 383.6 2. H. J. Schroeder, The Canons and Decrees of The Council of Trent (Rockford, IL: Tan Books and Publishers, 1978), page 79, Canon 1. 3. Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, The New Evangelization (http://www.ewtn.com/new_evangelization/Ratzinger.htm). 4. Zenit: The World Seen From Rome, Why the Pope Would Write an Encyclical on the Eucharist: To Rekindle Amazement, cited April 17, 2003, http://www.zenit.org. 5. Pope Benedict calls on faithful to intensify devotion to Eucharistic Jesus, http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=3686. 6. Interview with Scott Hahn, Eucharist in the Pontificate of Benedict XVI (Pontifications, June 12, 2005, http://web.archive.org/web/20070209234229/http://catholica.pontifications.net/?p=940). 7. Doug Pagitt, Church Re-Imagined, p. 103. 8. Scot McKnight, An Anglican Service (Jesus Creed blog, http://www.jesuscreed.org/?p=2258 link no longer online). 9. Scot McKnight, Turning to Jesus, (Louisville, KY: Westminister John Knox Press, 2002 edition), p. 7. 10. Robert Webber, A Call to an Ancient Evangelical Future (Online at: http://www.aefcall.org/read.html. 11. Brian McLaren, The AEF Document as a Preaching Resource (From the AEF Call website: http://www.aefcall.org/documents/TheAEFDocumentasaPreachingResource_000.doc).
Whether scarlet or wool, they are still sins.
Catholicism is not true Christianity, therefore those that remain in her.....
Here goes...the Spirit gives me the authority to say that Catholicism is not true Christianity.
It takes the Holy Spirit living in one to discern Scripture correctly otherwise man can easily fall into error.
All Catholics can be born again and filled with the Spirit but they won’t remain in the Catholic church once they are. The two are opposed...biblical salvation and Catholic salvation.
I’d urge you to listen to some testimonies of born again Christians who’ve come out of Catholicism if you are interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mxmXKvtSUM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpmGVAEa2Jc
It is very hard for someone who is a good person to see their need for Christ and being born again...but us sinners (me) saved by grace know what a precious gift it is and have to shout it to everyone.
Scripture.....
Acts 17:24-25 The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man, nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything.
1 Corinthians 6:19-20 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.
Ephesians 3:14-19 For this reason I bow my knees before the Father, from whom every family in heaven and on earth is named, that according to the riches of his glory he may grant you to be strengthened with power through his Spirit in your inner being, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faiththat you, being rooted and grounded in love, may have strength to comprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth, and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.
Colossians 1:27 To them God chose to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
I’m sorry to hear that about you, revolting cat.
And I could say that the Spirit gives me the authority to say that it is. Kind of silly, isn't it? But I choose to leave that decision up to God. Yet you think you know better.
It takes the Holy Spirit living in one to discern Scripture correctly
Discern scripture correctly? So what evidence do you have that the Holy Spirit lives in you? And if He does, then why do you take it upon yourself to decide who is Christian and who is not?
All Catholics can be born again and filled with the Spirit but they wont remain in the Catholic church once they are.
Nonsense.
..but us sinners (me) saved by grace know what a precious gift it is and have to shout it to everyone.
You don't seem to be aware of the purpose behind it. Salvation is the starting line - not the finish line.
Hello, Metmom. None of those scriptures you provided appoints Jodyel as the arbiter of where Christ lives. The Bible says that Christ lives in us - we being members of the church body. Yet Jodyel has declared that those members of the church body who happen to be Catholic do not have Christ living in them. I tend to disagree with this assessment, which is why I questioned Jodyel’s authority to decide.
In the Religion forum, on a thread titled Catholic Evangelization and the Role of the Eucharist in This End-Time Deception, jodyel wrote:
Catholicism is not true Christianity, therefore those that remain in her.....
Bored. You bore me.
Mt 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask , it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. 20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
John 17: 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
John 14: 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive , because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
I happen to know Catholics who prophesy and pray in tongues. I’m pretty much convinced that the Holy Spirit dwells in them regardless of what Jodyel says.
Thanks for those links.
All that contemplative prayer stuff sounds too much like transcendental meditation and yoga for my taste.
I’ve also been checking out the emergence church movement and find it rife with heresy. I’ve actually heard the teaching that we are God from acquaintances of mine. In addition to the name it and claim it theology, the prosperity gospel, the *ask whatever you will and you’ll have it* mentality, the *your words have power* and *you can speak things into existence* kind of stuff. The idea that all you have to do is say the positive things and they will become your reality.
A friend keeps telling me, (and I somewhat agree with him to an extent) that we are so willing to accept the negative and reluctant to accept the positive. But telling someone that you think you are coming down with a cold, doesn’t make it reality for you because of your words. It just means you are aware of the symptoms your body is displaying.
The Pentecostal movement is weird and poorly grounded in Scripture. there doctrines of theirs have little or no Scriptural support without taking verses out of context. They are too focused on the here and now and using God as a sugar daddy to make their lives comfortable and problem free.
They seem to forget the words of Jesus who says that in this world we WILL have tribulation, but to be of good cheer because HE has overcome the world.
I think anyone who claims to be filled with the Spirit and therefore able to stand in judgement over the souls of others had better be blatantly and even painfully displaying that the same Spirit is a full time resident and not merely a part time occupant who flits out from time to time whenever the person in question decides to go for blood on an internet message board.
Is #110 good enough?
So I'm NOT the only one who has noticed this.
Maybe next time...
I won’t buy into any Christianity that is so cessationist that it turns God into a distant, uninvolved deistic style God.
The very incarnation of Jesus argues in favor of a God who will be involved with His creation, and of a God who will involve His people.
God is Spirit, so the greater realm of reality is spirit. His primary involvement with us will be spiritual, but that is no where near the same thing as metaphorical or allegorical.
It is an IN REALITY involvement with us. He is really involved in baptism, and He is really involved in communion, and He is really involved in prayer. I do NOT accept hyper-cessationism as Christian.
There are some who have accepted Christ who do stay in the Catholic church. Some do it out of desire to share with their fellow Catholics who are friends or relatives.
Some, especially older people, do it out of just not wanting to change at that point in their lives. Catholicism is all they’ve ever known and they are comfortable there.
I don’t doubt that there are genuine believers within Catholicism, just as there are genuine believers in ANY denomination. Likewise, there are unbelievers in any denomination. The only thing that would change between denominations is the percentages, the ratio between believer and unbeliever (those just playing church).
"I am the way..."
Matthew 15:16
"Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them.
Matthew 231. Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
2. "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
3. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
4. They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
5. "Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long;
6. they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;
7. they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them `Rabbi.'
8. "But you are not to be called `Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.
9. And do not call anyone on earth `father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
10. Nor are you to be called `teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ.
11. The greatest among you will be your servant.
12. For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
13. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
14. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.
16. "Woe to you, blind guides! You say, `If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.'
17. You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
18. You also say, `If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.'
19. You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
20. Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.
21. And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.
22. And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
23. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
24. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
25. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
26. Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
27. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.
28. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
29. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
30. And you say, `If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.'
31. So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.
32. Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!
33. "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
34. Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
35. And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
36. I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
37. "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
38. Look, your house is left to you desolate.
39. For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, `Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.' "
Mark 7:26-27
26. The woman was a Greek, born in Syrian Phoenicia. She begged Jesus to drive the demon out of her daughter.
27. "First let the children eat all they want," he told her, "for it is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."
And St. Paul chimes in...
Galatians 5:12
As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!
WHAT!!??
You switchin' TEACHERS??!!
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