Posted on 09/30/2013 11:30:08 AM PDT by NYer
Now a narses pix, like the yawning bozo or the fractal image: THEY are amusing!!
Actually, he has preserved his word, to those that read all of it.
To them, the corruptions are so transparent that the truth is not hard to perceive.
The fact that even the papists know that the text of John 6:4 was added centuries after the Greek translation was first done, yet they fail to deal with it shows their credibility (0).
>> “Therefore, Mary is the wife of God.” <<
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And fire engines are always Rushin, so they’re Red too.
Salvation is simple.
Believing.
Even Jesus said so.
John 3:14-18 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
John 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
John 11:25-26 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
And many other passages of Scripture line up with that.
John 1:10-13 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him. He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him. But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
Galatians 2:15-21 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not! For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor. For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
Galatians 3:1-29 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?
Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.
Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.
Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
Ephesians 2:1-10And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.
But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
2 Corinthians 5:17-21 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
Appreciate it. Thanks.
No, you can't because nobody is capable of living like that. It is not within human power to do it.
Not to mention that one sin is all that it takes to condemn someone for eternity.
Even if you sinned only once and it was a *little* sin, and otherwise lived a perfect, sinless life, you would still go to hell.
God's standard is absolute perfection and the only person to have ever done that is Jesus. No one else in the entire world can get to heaven on their own merit/works/keeping the beatitudes/whatever....
The only way to gain heaven is to be forgiven by God for the offense.
Wishful thinking - With the exception of the Tomb of the Patriarchs, and one can assume, the tombs of the kings (which were still evident in NT times), The Jews did not have the creepy fixation on the dead that the Romans do.
Secondly, while not perfectly true, YHWH seems to have a tendency to obscure the graves of His servants - particularly, at least in the case of Moses, to prevent veneration. In fact, most of the venerated sites in Israel were set up by Constantine's mom as pilgrimages (tourist traps) - And most of those are either proven wrong outright, or are contended by other sites. The falsity of such sites prove that there was no cultural systemic veneration of YHWH's servants - nationalistic veneration of patriarchs and kings, yes, but not prophets or priests.
Romans 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.
Not the Catholic church.
The Catholic church did not *write* the Bible. Enough Scripture to lead one to Jesus is found in the Hebrew Scripture which existed long before the RCC came into existence.
You are begging the question, presuming what needs to be proved, which is that r that even if Rome truly has an unbroken line of popes from Peter, which is historically problematic even based on scholarship from RCs, then historical descent is the basis for authenticity. (contra Mt. 3:9; Rm. 2:28) Or that even if she was the steward of Scripture and the inheritor of the Divine promises of God's presence, then this means that she is the uniquely infallible interpreter of Scripture.
Then you have the competition from other sola ecclessia churches, such as the EOs. also claiming to be the One True Church. (OTC)
for an evangalestic store frone church of what's happening now???
The church basically began as a evangelistic store front church, for as as said and shown before, contrary to the RC model in which the magisterium is the supreme authority and must be submitted to, instead the church began following an Itinerant Preacher who was rejected by the magisterium.
Thus it began in dissent from those, who, like Rome, presumed a level of assured veracity above that which was written, and which the Lord and early church reproved by Scripture. Which is the transcendent material standard for truth and obedience, as is abundantly evidenced .
.OK., I guess, but what are the odds that you chose the right one out of the 30,000 or so protestant denominations???
Once again you are arguing from a false premise, which is that the church only consists of one denomination, or that the OTC is one denomination, which cannot be unless it is perfect, which Rome is certainly not,
The only one true church is the body of Christ, as only this consists of born again children of God, not an admixture of them and those "born after the flesh," which Rome manifestly mostly consists of.
A false gospel leaves one accursed, (Gal. 1:6-9) while believers are baptized by the Spirit into the body of Christ upon conversion. A true church then within the OTC is that which mostly essentially preaches the gospel which effects conviction of sin and or righteousness and of judgment, (Jn. 16:9) so that souls realize their need for salvation as helpless damned and destitute souls (versus being children of God via paedobaptism and their own goodness). As seen in Acts 2, 10, 13.
And and thus cast all their faith upon the mercy of God in Christ,, trusting the risen Lord Jesus to save them by His sinless shed blood and righteousness. Which decision, or "day of salvation" is shown in baptism in identification with the Lord and His death and resurrection, and then following Him. As this is what my church works to do, with about an hour of strong preaching regularly emphasizing the holiness of God, and need for conversion and commitment and sound doctrine, and personal testimonies of God's grace and manifest regeneration, the "odds" of my being in a true if imperfect church with the OTC are very good.
And much in manifest contrast to what i experienced before as a weekly mass-going (about 1500) RC, with its weekly ritual (typically fostering perfunctory professions) and its 10 minute sermonette, and which church treats even very liberal known RCs as members in life and in death.
Rome can be said to essentially be a false church with many true doctrines, which she overall makes of none effect by fostering faith in ones own merit and her own for salvation. In which RC souls are those who are (typically) held to having been born again by sprinkling, upon proxy faith, which act makes justified by their holiness.
And who merit eternal life thru cooperation with grace dispensed from Rome's treasury, and (typically) ends with souls becoming good enough to enter Heaven in purgatory. Out of which RCs are can be delivered with the power and merits of Rome.
This is a false gospel, as it is not the act of baptism that effects regeneration, but the personal faith it requires and expresses, (Acts 10:43-47; 15:7-9) not the faith of someone else, and requires repentance and wholehearted faith, (Acts 2:28; 8:36,37) which an infant cannot do. Nor is it needful to baptize infants, for having an inherited sinful nature does not mean they are culpable for sin and damned for it, (Dt. 24:16; 2Ki 14:5,6; 2Ch 25:4; Jer 31:29,30; Eze 18:20) though we all suffer or benefit (Jn. 4:38; Rm. 11:38) from the effects of the acts of our forefather.
Nor do believers experience suffering of "fire and torments or 'purifying' punishments” commencing at death, but are present with the Lord, (Lk. 16:19-31; 23:43; Acts 7:59; 2Cor. 5:6,8; Phil. 1:21-23; Heb. 13:23; Rv. 6:9.10) awaiting the judgment seat of Christ, which occurs at the Lord's return.
Nor is it because of the one's character or works of righteousness that one is accepted into Heaven, which (due to man's nature and Rome's emphasis on salvific merit) RCs routinely testify is the based of their hope of eternal life, along with some confidence in God's mercy as He grades on a scale. For while true justifying faith must be of the kind that effects holiness of heart and deed, which testifies to one having true faith and worthy of reward, (Heb. 10:35) yet it is faith that is counted for righteousness, justifying the unGodly, . (Rm. 4:5) not the works that faith results in that justify him as being saved.
In-credible indeed, but i do not remember seeing the poster here much at all.
Unbroken line of popes? From the church that admits that it has and can elect the *wrong* man????
There can't be an unbroken line of popes when the *wrong* man is elected.
So much for their claim of authenticity and being the OTC.
pffftttt.......
You are judging previous actions by todays standards.
No, I am merely pointing out that your (y'all) chest-beating seems rather out of place when achieved by the means of killing your opponents. It was not necessarily an act of preservation to burn the libraries of others who were perfectly willing to engage in the same preservation and distribution that you claim is yours alone. In fact, it can be argued that monopolizing production and distribution hurt the cause of the Gospel, as the latter explosion (after the Reformation) undoubtedly proves. Once Rome lost control of the texts, the Gospel burst forward in leaps and bounds.
Was Calvin correct for burning Michael Servectus and destroying his work?
My memory is poor, but I do believe that Calvin personally interceded on Servetus' behalf - pleading for beheading instead of burning, for what that is worth... But I will agree with you in some part - It took a long time for the Reformers to rub off that which they learned beneath the sword of Rome.
Proof.
"Anyone can go back over this thread and see just who is doing the lying and deceiving here."
Why not make it easy for interested folks? You mean this sort of deception?
see comment #105 "It's a pity what poor memories some people have. Luther NEVER threw out Hebrews, James or Jude and he also even included those seven books he's accused of tossing out in his German translation of the Bible."
I repeat in part my reply
In his translation of the New Testament , Luther moved Hebrews and James out of the usual order, to join Jude and the Revelation at the end, and differentiated these from the other books which he considered "the true and certain chief books of the New Testament.”
Luther included an Appendix of books he said should have never been accepted into the canon in the first place and made it very clear he did not consider them to be a part of the inspired Word of God. That’s clearly throwing out Scriptures whether Marty's buddy Phil convinced him they’d lose the support of local nobles if those books were removed completely or Luther simply omitted them like a good anti-Christ Pharisee. Either way, the Self and Self Alone” deceivers agree with Luther and say those books are garbage as they’re no longer even in the same binding as the Protestant anti-Christ Pharisee Approved Luther Subset of Scripture the Self Alone crowd pretend is a complete Bible.
That “appendix” dodge is an even more lame attempt at misdirection than the usual lame attempts to avoid truth Self Alone folks constantly toss around between taking turns attacking others rather than addressing points they make.
Trying to avoid the truth about Marty throwing Scripture in the garbage and his Self Alone claim to having greater authority than the Holy Spirit and everyone who ever lived including Jesus Christ Himself has been pointed out to folks on FR, present company included, several times. Do those who ignore the facts enjoy trying to mislead others with lies and half-truths or do they just hate the Truth?
People pretending Luther “just” moving books of the Bible to an appendix clearly stating those books are not Scripture is not the same as throwing them out is typical of those who know there is no honest defense for their Self and Self Alone doctrine of Christian Liberty and their routine reversals of what they teach as the truth in order to “go along to get along” with the Culture of Death.
As for who is intent on deception, Luther nuts don’t fall far from the Luther tree.
Who can honestly say moving books to an appendix prefacing each with a statement of why that book is unfit to be in the canon is anything other than playing the same sort of games the Self and Self Alone folks play when they wink and nod at quietly murdering infants in the womb with “contraceptives” while claiming to be “pro-life” because they oppose invasive abortions?
What about the Brothers of God, and the Sisters of God...
What of the Butcher of God - Surely no sin could enter Jesus' mouth, so His family's butcher necessarily and needfully was born without sin, because he had to touch the meat that was served to God - No doubt his cleaver was made of the finest gold, and his apron was studded with precious gems! He had the power to speak softly to animals, killing them peacefully with his words, so they would never suffer... And those same words magically removed the blood, so his hands were never made unclean... And the sweat of his brow made the meat extra tasty!
Hey! The Bible doesn't say it isn't true - so it COULD be true! YAY! Let's all gather 'round and worship venerate the mighty, marvelous, and sainted Butcher of God!
“You can make it to heaven if you have not been exposed to the teachings of Jesus Christ but have lived your life according to the beatitudes. This is the teaching of the Catholic Church”
...and is false.
“The earliest Church Fathers believed in the Real Presence and taught that if you do not partake in the Eucharist, you can not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.”
Reference in before 100 ad please.
“All Christians believed this for the first 1,500 years after Christ perished on the cross.”
Unprovable bluster.
“Martin Luther believed this.”
Blessed Luther, the Catholic priest, recovered the Gospel, but he wasn’t perfect...
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