Do you ever read and study scripture?
Romans 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
The natural will of man is sinful and does not seek after God. God is the one who initiates that call and opens the eyes and ears to accept. So in that regard, yes, God saves men against their natural will. Oh, and by the way, I don’t expect you to understand that.
>>What is the penalty of sin?<<
Only those who have not accepted Jesus alone as their savior and Lord and as the only mediator between God and man should worry about that. God says we are not under that penalty.
Galatians 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”—
Jesus paid the price for us and we are hidden in His righteousness.
>>Really? Show me where that is said by Catholics?<<
God says.
John 3:15 that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.
So once we believe we have eternal life with Him. But Catholics say no, that man can loose that somehow so it must not be eternal for “whosoever believes in Him”. Like I said, Catholics believe it’s not eternal but temporary depending on what man does.
>>No, that’s not what any Catholic has ever said about the Holy Spirit,<<
Catholics never say that man can separate themselves from the Holy Spirit? Really? So tell me, how does on lose their salvation if they don't seperate themselves from the Holy Spirit?
EXCEPT Mary; of course...
“Do you ever read and study scripture?”
Probably more than you ever will.
Now, how about answering the question I asked: “Does God save men against their will?”
“But Catholics say no, that man can loose that somehow so it must not be eternal for “whosoever believes in Him”.”
No. First, what you’re saying doesn’t even making sense. You’re saying - mistakenly - that Catholics don’t believe in eternal life because they don’t believe in sola fide (a strictly Protestant doctrine dating only to the 16th century). Your claim doesn’t even make sense because you are claiming Catholics don’t believe in eternal life because they believe eternal life can be lost. The belief in possibly losing eternal life in no way precludes the existence of eternal life or even its possession. In fact, the very fact that Catholics believe eternal life can be lost means they believe in eternal life. You can’t lose what you don’t have so if you can lose it you must have possessed it previously.
“Like I said, Catholics believe it’s not eternal but temporary depending on what man does.”
No. Catholics believe eternal life is eternal. What would be temporary would be their possession of it if they refused the love and mercy of God.