Posted on 08/31/2013 3:38:44 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
Full interview (roughly one hour) with former Roman Catholic priests Richard Bennett (website: http://www.BEREANBEACON.ORG) & Bartholomew Brewer, Ph.D, author of "Pilgrimage from Rome - A Testimony" (website: http://www.MTC.COM) and former nun Rocio Zwirner give glory to God for their exodus from the Roman Catholic Church & into the glorious grace of the saving Gospel of Jesus Christ. (Description from youtube)
Even Peter, the guy who they claim as first pope, says that Jesus it the rock, the cornerstone, on which the church is built. And by faith, at that.
1 Peter 2:4-8 As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
For it stands in Scripture: “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a cornerstone chosen and precious, and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”
So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe,
“The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,”
8 and
“A stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense.”
They stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do.
Even Peter, the guy who they claim as first pope, says that Jesus it the rock, the cornerstone, on which the church is built. And by faith, at that.
1 Peter 2:4-8 As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
For it stands in Scripture: “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a cornerstone chosen and precious, and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”
So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe,
“The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,”
8 and
“A stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense.”
They stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do.
And those who don't believe, they STUMBLE on Jesus being the rock on which the church is built. They are offended by it. And we see that very clearly here.
Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God actually say,
Before I am falsely accused of “making this personal” let me rephrase what I wrote:
Does any Protestant act differently then you just suggested the Church acts? Look at [any Protestant’s] posts [ever]. [They] insist Peter is not the Rock [or insist with no authority on any other issue] even when there are Protestants - scholars with real training in scripture that probably far exceeds any knowledge or training [they] will ever have - and yet [they] essentially dismiss them or the things they say as “crazy”. How is that any different than what you seem to be suggesting?
Don’t ALL Protestants act, de facto, a bit like “Dr. Martin Luther will have it so...”?
Anyone BUT Jesus.
DECEPTION.
The spurious character of the Isidorian decretals had been exposed by the Magdebur Centuriators, and no one with any knowledge of Christian antiquity could retain a doubt of their being a later fabrication. But the growth of the Papal system had been so inseparably associated with these forgeries, that the theologians of the Curia and the Jesuit Order were resolved to defend them and make further use of them for proving the infallibility and monarchy of the Popes.The Jesuit Turrianus composed an elaborate apology for the decretals. Bellarmine acknowledged that without the forgeries of the pseudo-Isidore, and of the later anonymous Dominican writers, it would be impossible to make out even a semblance of traditional evidence; the three leading authors of the new doctrine - St. Thomas, Cajetan, and Melchior Canus had grounded it exclusively on these fictions.
Bellarmine then made copious use of the Isidorian fictions.... But of course the most transparent fictions were welcome to him if they served the great end of supporting the universal monarchy of the Pope.... This dishonesty is shown again in his attempts to get rid of the fact he was perfectly acquainted with, that whole Church, with all universities and theologians of any weight in the sixteenth century, had rejected the Papal system in its two leading principles of absolute monarchy and infallibility......
This explains how it was that in the new edition of the Breviary a whole series of Popes of the first three centuries was introduced, with proper offices and lections, of whom no one knew anything, and who have left no trace behind them, who are found in none of the ancient martyrologies, and were taken no particular notice of in Rome for 1500 years.
The only ante-Nicene Popes in the ancient unreformed Breviaries ere Clement, Urban, Marcus, and Marcellus. But Bellarmine and Baronius introduced into the new Breviary, under Clement VIII., Popes Zephyrinus, Soter, Caius, Pius, Calixtus, Anacletus, Pontianus, and Evaristus, with lections taken from the pseudo-Isidorian decretals. And Cardinal Baronius, the author of the Annals, co-operated in this work, although he had there sopoken with indignation of the fraud of the pseudo-Isidore.
Citation for previous post is from the book
The Pope and the Council by Catholic historian Johann Joseph Ignaz Von Dollinger.
I'm pinging a few of you because I remember your discussing a related subject on perhaps another thread.
Moreover, the very first thing in the Song of Moses is the announcement of a Name of God, the Rock. Sadly, that announced name was not translated as a Name in the Greek (Septuagint) and from there it evidently was lost in the Latin (Vulgate.)
tsuwr po`al tamiym derek mishpat 'el 'emuwnah `evel tsaddiyq yashar
Dei perfecta sunt opera et omnes viae eius iudicia Deus fidelis et absque ulla iniquitate iustus et rectus
Following the example of Paul, “the faith should keep us in a constant attitude of humility before God, indeed of adoration and praise. In fact what we are because we are Christians, we owe solely to Him and to his grace... Our radical belonging to Christ and the fact that «we exist in Him» should gives us an attitude of total confidence and immense joy … our Christian life therefore stands on the most stable and safe rock imaginable. And from this rock we draw all our strength”. Pope Benedict XVI concluded “let us face our life with its joys and sorrows, sustained by these lofty sentiments offered us St Paul”. (S.L.) (Agenzia Fides 9/11/2006, righe 37, parole 562)
Both Abraham (Judiasm) and Peter (Christianity) were first to be called by God and both were called “rock.”
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. – Matt 16:17-18
To God be the glory!
Quoting Dollinger doesn’t help your case.
Again, there is no proof of deception. Centuries later defenses by some Catholics only highlights the old age and acceptance the forgeries found - which in itself means the forgeries taught nothing of import that seemed odd or new.
The irony of using Dollinger probably won’t dawn on you. He died and was largely forgotten as a member of a schismatic and heretical sect which even he came to disagree with.
This is exactly why Catholics believe in the authority of Peter as leader of the Church. God was the Rock and Christ said in front of all the Apostles that He was renaming Simon the Rock. He then said He would built His Church on that rock. He was speaking to fellow Jews who knew what Rock meant.
From the very first days of the Church, the disciples knew the authority to lead the Church on Earth had be given to Peter by Christ Himself with the renaming, which is always of great importance in the Bible, and the use of the word Rock, which had only been applied to God before that.
Again, Christ said it and it is faithfully recorded by the Holy Spirit in Scripture. Catholics take the Scripture very literally. We simply believe what Jesus said.
Ah yes, attack the messenger.
My hope is that all Christians and Jews will remember and declare that "The Rock" is a Name of God.
I have opened a new thread on the Forgeries used by Rome to promote the Papacy.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3061610/posts
Amen!
Preach it, sister.
Acts 12:21-24 On an appointed day Herod put on his royal robes, took his seat upon the throne, and delivered an oration to them. And the people were shouting, “The voice of a god, and not of a man!” Immediately an angel of the Lord struck him down, because he did not give God the glory, and he was eaten by worms and breathed his last. But the word of God increased and multiplied.
Well duh! That has been the discussion all along. The RCC does not allow those who are ordained to get married. They prohibit those who are ordained from getting married.
Which is what we've been saying all along. Priests cannot marry. The Catholic church prohibits priests from marrying.
Although it didn't used to be that way.
All from the church that never changes...
Stand ins for Jesus = just fine.
Jesus HIMSELF? Forget it.
Catholicism created a Jesus who is their Judge and is unreachable and unappeasible except through others and whose work on the cross is lacking, not sufficient to forgive them completely.
Rather pathetic isn't it?
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