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To: bkaycee

Quoting Dollinger doesn’t help your case.

Again, there is no proof of deception. Centuries later defenses by some Catholics only highlights the old age and acceptance the forgeries found - which in itself means the forgeries taught nothing of import that seemed odd or new.

The irony of using Dollinger probably won’t dawn on you. He died and was largely forgotten as a member of a schismatic and heretical sect which even he came to disagree with.


211 posted on 09/02/2013 8:20:48 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
The irony of using Dollinger probably won’t dawn on you. He died and was largely forgotten as a member of a schismatic and heretical sect which even he came to disagree with.

Ah yes, attack the messenger.

213 posted on 09/02/2013 8:50:07 AM PDT by bkaycee (John 3:16)
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To: vladimir998
Again, there is no proof of deception. Centuries later defenses by some Catholics only highlights the old age and acceptance the forgeries found - which in itself means the forgeries taught nothing of import that seemed odd or new.

The irony of using Dollinger probably won’t dawn on you. He died and was largely forgotten as a member of a schismatic and heretical sect which even he came to disagree with.

He was a Catholic historian who knew full well, there was no historic papacy for a many hundreds of years and how the Curia who knew about the forgeries, used them anyway to foist Papal fairy tales upon the "faithful"

Doellinger continues..
"It is clear that within a few decades after the spread of the Jesuit Order, the Infallibility hypothesis had made immense strides. The Jesuits had from the first made it their special business to suppress the spirit of historical criticism, and the investigation of Church history. They had rivaled one another in taking under their charge the pseudo-Isidorian decretals, as well as both the earlier and later Roman fabrications. Maldonatus, Suarez, Gretser, Possevin, Valentia, and others, that same Turrianus, who expressly defended the decretals, had come to the aid of the Roman system, with fresh patristic forgeries, for which he appealed to manuscripts no human eye had seen. At the same time the Jesuit Alfonsus Pisanu composed a purely apocryphal history of the Nicene Council, adapted simply to the exaltation of Papal authority. Pthers, Like Bellarmine, Delrio, and Halloix, defended the writings of the pseudo-Dionysius as genuine; Peter Canisius produced forged letters of the "Virgin Mary"

Deollinger, refuses to submit to the new infallibility doctrine.

Doellinger, on March 28, 1871, addressed a memorable letter to the archbishop, refusing to subscribe the decrees (infallibility). They were, he said, opposed to scripture, to the traditions of the Church for the first 1000 years, to historical evidence, to the decrees of the general councils, and to the existing relations of the Roman Catholic Church to the state in every country in the world. "As a Christian, as a theologian, as an historian, and as a citizen," he added, "I cannot accept this doctrine." From the Roman Catholic viewing point he thereby became an heretic as he clearly and publicly denied a doctrine proposed by the Church Magisterium to be divinely revealed (de fide divina).

234 posted on 09/02/2013 12:45:06 PM PDT by bkaycee (John 3:16)
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