MegaChurch or Catholic Church?

taylormarshall.com ^ | August 26, 2013 | Dr. Taylor Marshall

[Elsie]

The God of the Jews, as they understood Him to be was not one God in three persons, so when I say that Scripture does not call Jesus God, it is this God that I am referring to.

Next time it comes up; please be a bit more specific.

We will avoid a lot of wasted time if you do.

[Jvette]

NO wiggle.

I did not say what was attributed to me.

I say without ambiguity or hesitation that we can know from the Bible that Jesus is God.

[daniel1212]

Those who believe in Sola Scriptura disagree amongst themselves.

Those who believe in the alternative Sola Ecclesia (the church is supreme, as it authoritatively defines what Divine revelation consists of and its meaning) disagree amongst themselves.

So either: 1. Truth is unknowable and God is the author of chaos Or 2. God left us a teaching church, with the authority to settle disputes.

Incomplete, you mean without an assuredly infallible church, that being Rome, truth is unknowable and God is the author of chaos. But which is a false conclusion and dilemma. The lack of an infallible church does not mean truth is unknowable and God is the author of chaos, for if that was the case then no one could know or have assurance of truth prior to church of Rome.

And if the magisterium before that was infallible then no church would be legit.

Nor does disagreement on matters of truth mean is God to be blamed, any more copyists errors in Bibles. Moreover, not only has comprehensive doctrinal unity remained a goal not yet realized, nor is that what unity Jn. 17 refers to, but Romanism itself abounds with things they can disagree on (even as to which teachings are infallible and forbid dissent), even beyond her paper unity, and fosters more liberalism and less unity on many core issues than evangelicalism, and substantially disagrees with the Byzantine rite on what Tradition, Scripture and history teaches.

The Roman premise than an assuredly infallible ecclesiastical magisterium is necessary to define and preserve truth and for unity, and that being the steward of Divine revelation and inheritor of promises of God's presence and preservation, and having historical descent requires of means such is infallible, is manifestly false .

[Elsie]

You got 200 more to read before you find out that is not EXACTLY what she meant...

[Jvette]

True, I am not very good at putting my thoughts into words.

[Elsie]

Yee haw!

[Elsie]

They come from years and years of study and debate and prayer upon what is written in Scripture.

Just Like I said: It ain't in the bible.

[Iscool]

God gave NO ONE (including you) an infallible ability to know positively what every last word, phrase and section of Scripture says; nor did He give anyone an infallible ability to know positively how any given Greek or Hebrew word/phrase/idiom translates best into any other language (which will always lose something in the translation, anyway). God gave us a limited understanding by which we can know, with reasonable certainty, many of the easier and clearer meanings of various Scripture passages--but to assume more than that would be foolish... and unbiblical:

God said he would preserve his words forever...Do you believe he did???

[HiTech RedNeck]

That wasn’t the question of course!

[Elsie]

I did not say what was attributed to me.

Oh?

It looked pretty clear to me.

Maybe you didn't MEAN it...

[HiTech RedNeck]

That’s a different affair than the matter of whether we as people can tell what the correct version is when there is a doubt.

In practice our best copies of bible texts are robust enough that scribal differences don’t impact the overall meaning any. It at most becomes a question of WHERE in the scripture a particular doctrine is found, not WHETHER.

[Iscool]

No modern pope has "lived in opulence"... and only ignorance could lead someone to say otherwise.

It is well known that your modern popes lived in opulance...Gorgeous papal palace...Servants at his beck and call...He even used three forks to eat lunch with...

And then we have the pope's 'summer cottage'

And what a home it is. The complex, which overlooks Lake Albano and what's left of the enormous villa of the first-century Roman Emperor Domitian, actually dwarfs Vatican City by almost 400,000 square feet. It comes complete with landscaped gardens, an arboretum, natural conservatories, museums and fish ponds.

I think it is only in deceit that someone could claim that modern popes don't live in opulance...

[Iscool]

Ooops. I guess Jesus forgot about Rome, eh?

They're going to have to get on Jesus for leaving Rome out...

[Iscool]

Quite convenient For a Church that has NEVER erred on... what is it again?

And never changes...

[Iscool]

“Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.

And not the flesh...

[boatbums]

Betcha them sheets is 2000 thread ct. 100% Egyptian cotton! ;o)

[boatbums]

I cannot believe we are arguing THIS again. Who cares if the Pope is only "borrowing" the regalia of the office. The real question should be, where did the Roman Catholic Church get the billions and billions in property and money in the first place? Did Jesus not instruct his disciples to take no thought for their clothes and food and to trust God to provide? Did he not tell them to store up treasure in heaven and NOT on earth? For an idea how the RCC became so wealthy, see The Vatican Billions - Two Thousand Years of Wealth Accumulation.

[Iscool]

If i follow Sola Scriptura i can shop around and find a local congregation and a Scripture interpretation that obliges my wishes.

Or, you can stay where you are at, pretend you didn't have a valid marriage to begin with and get it annulled...Even if you have a dozen kids...

[Iscool]

If Jesus’ flesh is “no help at all” why did he bother becoming Incarnate?

I am dumbfounded that a person who claims to be a Class A (Catholic) Christian would ask that question...

[Iscool]

Actually, the Marian doctrines started from an attack on the person of Christ. As His mother, she certainly was pertinent when studying and confirming who He was and is still.

HuH??? There is no information to study about her...Outside of the scriptures, everything credited to Mary by your religion is made up...

Mary's relatives and neighbors looked at her as a normal mother with a husband and family...

Besides, you have no confirmation on who Jesus was outside of Faith...