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To: annalex
As far as I am concerned, this passage from Luke just shows how Jesus wanted Mary to have a low profile. Not a question of holiness...

A much more important verse is the following:

Matthew 7:6

"Do not give what is holy to dogs [to the unworthy]"

Clearly, Mary is a holy person to have the title Mother of God, which Mary clearly has unless you consider that Jesus is not God.

The passage you are referring to does not condemn Mary nor praise Mary. I have heard Biblical scholars state that Jesus wanted Mary to have a low profile.

And yet, for the miracle at Canaan, Jesus clearly tells Mary: Woman, it is not my time.

She in turn does not TELL JESUS WHAT TO DO, but just tells the servants Do whatever He tells you to do.

If Jesus had used the phrase mother, it is not my time, he would have broken the 4th commandment.

However, by using the phrase Woman, it is not my time, he is repsecting the FATHER's WILL at the same time respecting his mother. By using the term woman, he is letting Mary know it is the FATHER's WILL that he is stating, not his.

31 posted on 08/16/2013 1:33:25 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: topher; annalex
"Clearly, Mary is a holy person to have the title Mother of God"

Mary has no such title. She is never referred to as such in the Bible. There is no reference that the Disciples considered her as any person worthy of worship or by title. No commandment to treat her any different than anybody elses mother. Again, Jesus is the focus not Mary, not the Pope and not any Church rituals.

34 posted on 08/16/2013 3:24:39 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: topher
The passage you are referring to does not condemn Mary nor praise Mary

Have you read it?

Verse 27 praises Mary. Verse 28 explains that path to sainthood are many.

Interesting idea that a passage in scripture could be found "condemning" Mary.

Read the Holy Scripture one in a while with love and attention and you, too, will be Catholic.

42 posted on 08/16/2013 5:39:45 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: topher
Jesus wanted Mary to have a low profile. Not a question of holiness...

Jesus repuked that lady because she was expressing a WORLDLY concept of what a mother is. In God's Kingdom it is different that the world.

He then taught about His Kingdom - that those who do the will of The Father are His brother, sisters and mother - they are ALL the same in His Kingdom. In His Kingdom there is NO respector of persons - so UNLIKE the world.

The Catholic Church is WORLDLY - and out of it comes worldly teachings which OPPOSE The Word of God. And catholics defiantly disobey God by obeying 'man'. HIS WORD is very clear on this matter of who his mother is to Him in His Kingdom. And like you said - they don't see Jesus as God as long as they hold to this WORLDLY concept of mother. That exposes the counterfeit church as satan doesn't want Jesus to be seen as GOD. Satan wants to be worshipped instead. He masks himself behind it all. As long as they don't belong to Jesus - satan accomplished his goal.

By using the term woman, he is letting Mary know it is the FATHER's WILL that he is stating, not his.

Exactly. Jesus said HE doesn't do or say any thing unless it is FROM THE FATHER.

76 posted on 08/16/2013 1:38:45 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: topher

Wow this is amazing.

Your post here is almost EXACTLY the Homily our priest gave at the Mass for the Assumption. The same point almost word for word, about Mary not telling Jesus what to do and also, that Jesus didnt say to her “mother this isn’t my time” rather “woman this is t my time” or else he would have broken the commandment to honor thy father and mother. All of that is exactly what the preist said. It’s like you were there!

Granted he (the priest) didnt say anything about Mary keeping a low profile, so that’s one area you two aren’t exactly the same. He (the priest) also said that while Mary didnt tell Jesus what to do, and rather went to the head waiter, to tell the head waiter to do whatever Jesus would tell him, that showed she had complete confidence he would do what she asked anyway.

It was a good Homily. And again, I’m shocked how both your words are so similar.

I’m taking this as God trying to tell me something that I should notice. I’m going to have to pray about this to try to discern what’s going on.

Thanks,


429 posted on 08/23/2013 5:21:46 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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