Christ is one Mediator, intercessors are numerous. Read:
What is wrong with RC minds? Do you see the word "Heavenly" or do you have to once again misrepresent what i said in desperately trying to defend PTDS?
All that you have is arguments from silence
Dude, you already engaged in this misrepresentation and was corrected, yet you resort to it again, as the rest of the statement says,
and egregious extrapolations that at best might allow some of it as speculation...
I have dealt with both.
These are arguments form the Holy Scripture and logic, not from "silence".
And again, as said and described, this is indeed the problem, that of seeing support needed for this as doctrine, which is not there.
so then this is an example of a prayer to a saint being efficacious in heaven.
No, as they are not shown praying, but engaging in offering up prayers as incense, evidently after the OT memorial sense, (Lv. 2:2,15,16; 24:7; Num. 5:15) as shown.
This explains the lack of any prayers to angels in the OT?
This explains the lack of any prayers to angels in the OT?
Not only, but angels as well, which you imaginatively attempted to explain away.
But the necromancy clause is a reflection of the Hebrew mentality in general that teaches that God is inaccessible through ordinary people and cannot be imitated by them.
Incredible. So necromancy is forbidden because God is inaccessible through ordinary people, even though it is cleary shown that He is, rather than praying to someone else in Heaven but the Lord - which requires attributes only shown belonging to God (the ability to both hear and respond to almost incessant amounts of prayer addressed to them) - being idolatrous, or conducive to it.
That knowledge is what makes us Christians rather than Jews.
It is not that Heaven was basically closed to ordinary people, for "to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word." (Isaiah 66:2) and "He forgetteth not the cry of the humble" (Ps. 9:12) - no matter who they are.
But though such could be saved (with difficulty) under the rubric of the atonement, they could not enter God's abode in glory till the Resurrection of Christ. Into which believers under the new and better covenant of more grace, have boldness to enter by the blood of Jesus, having no other Heavenly intercessor but Him.
The fear of seeing God is clear, for example, in the episode with Manoah and his wife actually praying to an angel without realizing it, then Manoah (not his wife) recoiling in superstitious horror (Judges 13) [And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God." (Judges 13:22)].
Wrong again. Manoah would have known that Moses and the 70 elders saw God, (Ex. 24:9) but God still is dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen." (1 Timothy 6:16)
As now, they knew no mortal on earth today could see God and live, and thus their fear, while as David expressed,
"Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore." (Psalms 16:11)
Thanks be to God.
Again, your best argument is to stay silent, and more correction of your imaginative attempts is hardly needful. Bye.
DULLED comes to mind: Matthew 15:16
I do. That is where our home is. If St. Timothy is to pray intercession while alive what is to stop him in Heaven?
they are not shown praying, but engaging in offering up prayers as incense
LOL. So offering a prayer is not evidence of praying?
So necromancy is forbidden because...
For whatever reason it was forbidden, that is your answer why you see no record of prayer to Elijah, Moses, etc. in the Old Testament.
Manoah would have known ...
Whatever you can speculate about his state of mind, the fact is he was sure he was going to die. That is your answer why we see no prayer to angels in the Old Testament: fear.