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To: annalex

Now, would Our Lady come to a Protestant? You are right, probably not. You will have to pray to her very hard for that to happen.


This really confuses me and I admit I am late to this thread. Are you actually suggesting that one should pray to someone other than Jesus/God? I’m assuming I’m grossly missunderstanding you here.


1,516 posted on 09/13/2013 6:17:01 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf
Yes we absolutely should pray to saints, for in order to be saved yourself you need to learn to be in the company of saints. Find the saint that you like, learn of his life and ask him to pray with you and to lead you, and soon you will be firmly on the road to salvation, -- assuming you are validly baptized.

From my book:

It is now clear that the ardent Catholic faith in Christ that calls us to imitate Him wholly; the saving faith that the Holy Scripture demands of us with all our heart and all our mind and all our soul, -- is a near impossibility without the example of saints, some of them people quite like you, dear reader, or like me – of which later. That is because the Holy Apostles had the friendship of Jesus in the flesh and miracle of the Resurrection before their very eyes; for them their salvation at the end of their natural lives was a certainty, for the Holy Spirit entering them was an observable reality. From the Pentecost on they knew that their joining Christ in heaven would be the crowning achievement of their lives. Strangers came to Jesus as well, but the faith in them was, it seems, a voice of desperation hoping for a miracle and seeing miracles. Not so for us: we live in a different age. Modern technology gave us lives of comfort: diseases are conquered one after the other; we rarely suffer from cold or heat, choicest foods are as near as our refrigerator; finest wines are in the store; pain is anaesthetized; death is remote; sex is available. Science is what gave us this easy and abundant life; it can explain most everything, and death, science explains, is final. The Resurrection of Christ, and our own, is a scientific impossibility. May be there is in us an altruistic gene, maybe not (science is closing in on the answer as I write), but from a practical perspective altruism is either a ploy to keep a beggar away, or a superstition. In this environment, it is easy to fear death, but it is not easy to have faith. The very diversity of saints in the thickness of ages and right to our own age gives us examples of people to whom we can relate, whose cultural and economic background was comparable to ours; from their heroic acts we draw inspiration and reach for maturity of faith. Their lives justify ours.

1,522 posted on 09/13/2013 6:27:56 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: cuban leaf
I’m assuming I’m grossly missunderstanding you here.

You're not.

1,563 posted on 09/13/2013 12:10:05 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: cuban leaf; annalex
This really confuses me and I admit I am late to this thread. Are you actually suggesting that one should pray to someone other than Jesus/God? I’m assuming I’m grossly missunderstanding you here.

No, not by a long shot. He's not suggesting, he's advocating.

Posting histories are your friend.

1,574 posted on 09/13/2013 12:26:59 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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