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To: DManA

Any focus not on Jesus is a diversion. This Mary worship, veneration, adoration or whatever they call it is throwing our focus on something other than Jesus. His blood made our salvation possible. If we look elsewhere then we are like Peter trying to walk on water and that don’t work out so good.


11 posted on 08/15/2013 7:31:32 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: BipolarBob

Jesus treated his mother with honor - according to the law.

How he treated his mother is how we should treat our mothers.

We should not worship our mothers.


13 posted on 08/15/2013 7:39:18 PM PDT by DManA
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To: BipolarBob

Any focus not on Jesus is a diversion. This Mary worship, veneration, adoration or whatever they call it is throwing our focus on something other than Jesus. His blood made our salvation possible. If we look elsewhere then we are like Peter trying to walk on water and that don’t work out so good.

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Succinctly put!


21 posted on 08/15/2013 8:23:05 PM PDT by man_in_tx (Blowback (Faithfully farting twowards Mecca five times daily).)
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To: BipolarBob

The focus on Mary is a focus on true discipleship. She was the first Christian. Her relationship to him was constant, and through her son knew the Father as all saints shall at the end.


27 posted on 08/15/2013 10:20:07 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: BipolarBob
Any focus not on Jesus is a diversion

Why? Veneration of saints is a natural form of focusing and worshiping Jesus Who gave them their gifts. Yours is an old idea, first express when the Catholic Church sought to obtain the relics of St. Polycarp:

But when the adversary of the race of the righteous, the envious, malicious, and wicked one, perceived the impressive nature of his martyrdom, and [considered] the blameless life he had led from the beginning, and how he was now crowned with the wreath of immortality, having beyond dispute received his reward, he did his utmost that not the least memorial of him should be taken away by us, although many desired to do this, and to become possessors of his holy flesh. For this end he suggested it to Nicetes, the father of Herod and brother of Alce, to go and entreat the governor not to give up his body to be buried, lest, said he, forsaking Him that was crucified, they begin to worship this one. This he said at the suggestion and urgent persuasion of the Jews, who also watched us, as we sought to take him out of the fire, being ignorant of this, that it is neither possible for us ever to forsake Christ, who suffered for the salvation of such as shall be saved throughout the whole world (the blameless one for sinners), nor to worship any other. For Him indeed, as being the Son of God, we adore; but the martyrs, as disciples and followers of the Lord, we worthily love on account of their extraordinary affection towards their own King and Master, of whom may we also be made companions and fellow disciples! (The Martyrdom of Polycarp.17)

So the disciples seek to “become possessors of his holy flesh”; the argument that this would take away from the worship of Christ and replace it with the worship of Polycarp is advanced not from the Christian midst, but by "the adversary" and "at the suggestion and urgent persuasion of the Jews". What to us is a well-known Christian Protestant argument against veneration of saints has a christophobic origin. The distinction between worship (synonymous with adoration) of God and veneration (loving one who is worthy of love) of a saint was clear to the Early Church.

To a Jew the entire premise of Christianity: that the Triune God sends His Divine Son to all nations, -- is a form of sophisticated polytheism. And indeed, to an unenlightened mind, three is not one, man is not God, righteousness of man does not allow man a pedestal so tall that he could be in company of God face to face. Christianity to a Jew is a logical fallacy and veneration of saints is a proof of that: the error that Jesus was divine breeds the error that a saint is divine.

Don't make the error our adversaries made two thousand years ago. Blessed be God forever, for He gave us a path to sainthood.

36 posted on 08/16/2013 5:24:48 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: BipolarBob
This Mary worship, veneration, adoration or whatever they call it is throwing our focus on something other than Jesus.

And; no doubt; keeping her up nights!

61 posted on 08/16/2013 9:30:00 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: BipolarBob
This Mary worship, veneration, adoration or whatever they call it is throwing our focus on something other than Jesus.

And; no doubt; keeping her up nights!

62 posted on 08/16/2013 9:30:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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