Veneration of Mary in Luke 11:27-28

August 15, 2013 | Annalex

[annalex]

You are not on any ping list of mine. Another Freeper put you on the Reply-To list and I copied it in my response. You don’t have to feel obligated to reply.

[CynicalBear]

>>and I copied it in my response<<

Don’t “copied” K? sigh

[metmom]

Well, then, Catholic priests are wrong.

Jesus Himself said that nobody offers Him, that He laid down His life of His own accord.

So who do I believe? Jesus or some priest?

Like it’s even a question.

[metmom]

There can be no good reason for this CHANGE, other than the RCC disliked what the Holy Spirit had to say. Imagine, correcting GOD. And if it’s done ONCE...

Of course they've done it more than once. They've done it with calling Mary *the mother of God* instead of *the mother of Jesus*

[metmom]

It’s not the HOLY Spirit who is leading the Catholic church to forbid its priests to marry.

The Scripture that the RC’s claim the Catholic church wrote says it’s doctrines of devils...

[metmom]

Amazing how someone can keep violating the RM’s directives and carry arguments from one thread to another.

[metmom]

FOTFLOL!!!!!!!!!

That's as good as the Listerine one.....

[Religion Moderator]

Do not carry disagreements from thread to thread.

[narses]

I did not.

[Religion Moderator]

You are correct. I’ll restore your post and the one quoting it.

[narses]

Thank you!

[annalex]

priests are wrong.

The words are of Jesus, genius.

[BlueDragon]

So why not ask the saints in heaven to pray for us?

Do they comprise the Body of Christ, as we do?

Is His Body divided?

If His body be not divided why pray to any other name?

Acts 4:12 [Mounce Reverse-Interlinear New Testament]

And salvation is in no one else for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

If His body be not divided why pray to any other name?

We ask the saints in heaven to pray for us, just as we ask the saints on earth to pray for us. We're all part of the Body of Christ.

That's what Catholics mean by "praying to the saints." It doesn't mean that we're worshiping them.

Revelation 5:8

And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people.

Revelation 8:3-4

Another angel, who had a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense to offer, with the prayers of all God’s people, on the golden altar in front of the throne. The smoke of the incense, together with the prayers of God’s people, went up before God from the angel’s hand.

[BlueDragon]

You did not address the question posed.

But instead, gave answer to the one which you had asked yourself.

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

You did not address the question posed. But instead, gave answer to the one which you had asked yourself.

I guess I don't understand your question.

Anyway, I presented a couple of Scripture verses indicating the angels and saints in heaven presenting our prayers to God. What do you make of those verses?

Catholics believe that we can ask the angels and saints to pray for us, and that they can present our prayers to God.

[BlueDragon]

As you said;

I guess I don't understand your question.

in regards to;

If His body be not divided why pray to any other name?

as that relates to the the rest of the subject matter, then addressing prayers to any other than to the One true God is to answer your own previous

Is His Body divided?

If you not understand me thus far, then what I make of those passages in Revelation could only best be communicated by pointing out that the prayers of all God’s people as spoken of there, were not said to have been initially addressed to those whom then presented those prayers ---->to God.

Prayers offered up to some other name first ---then brought to His feet? That risks insulting His Holiness and omniscience much as second best offerings rather than first-fruits sacrifice.

?Quicksilver Messenger Service?

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

Have you ever asked anyone to pray for you? Catholics simply ask the glorified saints in heaven to pray for us.

The confusion over the term "praying to" stems from the old English term, meaning "to ask." It's hundreds of years old. So "praying to the saints" simply means "asking the saints;" asking the saints to pray for us.

[BlueDragon]

I have heard the sort of questions you are now asking, before. And this too as part of the thesis;

Catholics simply ask the glorified saints in heaven to pray for us.

Would not God hear those prayers if they were heard in heaven?

Or is [yet] His body divided?

You asked that above question of another (lacking the [yet]), Can you not answer it yourself?

[HarleyD]

Rev 19:9-10 And the angel said to me, "Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb." And he said to me, "These are the true words of God." Then I fell down at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, "You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God." For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Rev 22:8-9 I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed them to me, but he said to me, "You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God."

There is a tendency to worship anything other than God. Yet we are instructed not to do this-even by the angels themselves.