Posted on 08/15/2013 7:03:11 PM PDT by annalex
Once a woman in the crowd surrounding Christ and His disciples cries out to Him:
Blessed is the womb that bore thee, and the paps that gave thee suck. (Luke 11:27)
What is it? We have, clearly, an act of venerating Mary. Note that the Blessed Virgin is venerated properly: not on her own but as the mother of Christ. Yet the reason for venerating is indeed concerning: it is her physiological and physiologically unique relationship with Jesus that is emphasized. That is not yet paganism with its crude theories of gods giving birth to other gods, but it is lacking proper focus and Jesus corrects it:
Yea rather, blessed are they who hear the word of God, and keep it. (Luke 11:28)
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| The Virgin with the Child on her knees and a prophet pointing at the star. Catacomb of Priscilla, late 2nd c. Source |
Having gotten past this linguistic hurdle, we can understand clearly what this passage, Luke 11:27-28, does: it establishes veneration of saints based not on their blood relation to Christ but on their obedience to God. It is in that sense that we venerate Our Lady: given that Christ is the Word of God personified, she heard and kept both Him in person as her Child and His teaching, figuratively. In Mary the essence of sainthood is seen in the flesh as well as in the mind. We could say that by the late second century at the latest, when we find evidence of the veneration of both the prophets and the Mother of God in the catacombs, the two reasons to venerate a saint: his martyrdom as in the case of Polycarp, or his obedience to the Word, as in Mary, -- unite into a single practice.
Okay, I have had enough of this nonsense for one day.
You keep at ‘em, Elsie!
“The apparition at Fatima, especially, was to many people of different spiritual dispositions, who all describe the event as objectively happening, and without a natural explanation.”
I can tell you right now that anyone who saw that thing was NOT, and I repeat NOT, a born-again Holy Spirit filled believer...otherwise that thing would have gone screeching back to hell where it came from.
I’m set at 20 replies per page.
Ever since this FR glitch that has only partially filled any longer setting.
I used to run 250 a page.
"Hail Mary; Mother of God...
“but from the vantage point of history we see that the Protestant heresy was the work of Satan to scatter the faithful, and for about 500 years the Protestantism was fracturing itself. At this point there is barely a trace of authentic Christianity in all these sects.”
You keep right on believing that and I know where you will be making your toast, annalex.
“I am not going to repeat myself. Thank you for the opportunity to answer your questions, they were very typical.”
Pious, sanctimonious, condescending, arrogant, self-righteous.
Did I leave anything out?
“If you want to understand the Holy Scripture, ask a Catholic.”
Your arrogance knows no bounds!
Care for a little Reformed Egyptian then?
care for some gopher; Everett?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PUDd7LBb88#t=0m11s
China is still far away, though it is much closer to me than you (unless you count all of the Chinese take-outs on every corner!!!).
I watch Nascar races on my satellite dish. If it's an afternoon race, I have to nap and get up at 1 or 2am to watch. I get to a new day 12 hours before the east coast of CONUS! It makes for fun trying to call the kids...
Beach day for some friends!
We're like brothers.
Oh; we knock each other around at times and fight and scrapple; but down deep; we DO love each other!
I have to say that if I were a lurker and not of either persuasion and had to base my decision off this one thread, that there would be no doubt as to which I would choose.
Annalex sounds like a complete tool for Catholicism whilst daniel1212, metmom, et al have contended for Christ. Why anyone would believe anything that comes from annalex’s mouth is beyond me.
In fact, I am going to try to find an unbeliever who has no knowledge of either Catholic or Protestant or Evangelical (might be nigh on impossible) and have them read this thread and then ask which side rings true...which side is representative of Jesus Christ and none else. Of course, should I even find such a person I am sure I will be accused of all sorts of untruths up to and including they are a Protestant or Evangelical in disguise if they choose E or P.
Worth a shot. Let the hunt begin. :)
jodyel, that is an EXCELLENT idea. Hopefully you can find such a person. It would be interesting!
“Good grief. Can’t you read a plain text without telling me stories about it in capital letters?’
Methinks they are beginning to wear on you, annalex. When in doubt, shout.
Maybe I need to re-write the following to pertain to Catholics....
MORMON
ATTITUDES OF SUPERIORITY
1. I’m Superior; I have a special gift of the holy Ghost -- you don’t!
2. I’m Superior; I have God’s true priesthood power -- you don’t! 3. I’m Superior; I can go in God’s secret Temple -- you can’t! 4. I’m Superior; I’ve been Endowed with special Gifts and Knowledge -- you’re just normal! 5. I’m Superior; I’ll have my family with me in heaven -- you’ll be with strangers! 6. I’m Superior; I’m becoming a God -- you aren’t! 7. I’m Superior; My women know their place as servants of man and yours don’t. 8. I’m Superior; YOUR creeds are wrong because they come from man - mine comes from God (you can find each one printed in our Scriptures). 9. I’m Superior; I don’t HAVE a creed - I’ve got 13 Articles of Faith. 10. I'm Superior; I have 4 "Bibles"-- the standard works (5 if you count the JST) -- you've only got one: in as far as it is translated correctly. 11. I’m Superior; I can lie with impunity about such things as church membership, church growth, church doctrine, church history, church influence, etc. — -- You can’t. 12. I’m Superior; I am right (everybody knows) when I say 'evangelical' Christians are lunatics -- -- You’re a hideous narrow-minded bigot, who is persecuting me by practicing discrimination by saying I'm not a Christian.
13. I'm Superior; I have a testimony about a prophet -- you don't. 14. I'm Superior; I have a Scripture-producing Amos 3:7 prophet -- you don't 15. I’m Superior; I have a Living Prophet who talks to god every day -- you have a dim-witted hireling of Satan who only talks to himself. 16. I'm Superior; I have my calling & election made sure -- you don't. 17. I’m Superior; I have magic underwear to protect me from the bogey man -- you don’t. 18. I’m Superior; I have secret clasps and grips to give the angel so I get admitted to the celestial kingdom -- you don’t ;so you can’t. 19. I'm Superior; I know secret handshake codes for afterlife entrances-- you don't. 20. I’m Superior; I will see Joseph Smith setting on the right hand of GOD, when I get to Mormon heaven, and he will recognize me and judge me favorably -- You’re on your own; when you get to wherever you’re going! 21. I’m Superior; I’m going to hie to Kolob -- you’re going to who knows where. 22. I’m Superior; I get to have a harem and act like a celestial stud for time and all eternity -- you don’t. 23. I’m Superior; I have sun stones, moon stones, sky stones, cloud stones, Saturn stones, and the evil eye of Osirus guarding my temple -- You have nothing but a stupid cross.
24. I’m Superior; My church has billions in assets stashed away -- yours has taken a stupid vow of poverty. 25. I'm Superior; Last - we have the power to keep a whole race out of our priesthood if we wanted to reinsert our 148-year legacy (we ARE still keeping an entire GENDER at bay!) 26. I'm superior; I have the "higher law" -- everyone else "lives under the "lesser law' because I say so...(over and over). Revision 46.5
Semi-Official creed of the EXclusive club of Freeper Flying Inmans.
All rights liable to be abused.
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I visited the Mission San Juan in San Antonio and bought a t-shirt in the gift shop!
(But, to be fair, it was the NPS giftshop - NOT the church's.)
Windows never end - Microsoft just puts out a new version.
Then you'd better post some Scripture to prove your point.
That loud WHOOSH! you heard was the result of yet another sacred cow getting gored.
Methinks you are beyond hope with an ignorant statement like that.
I ain’t the one blusterin’!
I don’t think this was directed at you, Elsie, but after so many posts I start going blind...if only this forum technology wasn’t from the dark ages and had a reply all, etc.
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