Posted on 08/15/2013 7:03:11 PM PDT by annalex
Once a woman in the crowd surrounding Christ and His disciples cries out to Him:
Blessed is the womb that bore thee, and the paps that gave thee suck. (Luke 11:27)
What is it? We have, clearly, an act of venerating Mary. Note that the Blessed Virgin is venerated properly: not on her own but as the mother of Christ. Yet the reason for venerating is indeed concerning: it is her physiological and physiologically unique relationship with Jesus that is emphasized. That is not yet paganism with its crude theories of gods giving birth to other gods, but it is lacking proper focus and Jesus corrects it:
Yea rather, blessed are they who hear the word of God, and keep it. (Luke 11:28)
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| The Virgin with the Child on her knees and a prophet pointing at the star. Catacomb of Priscilla, late 2nd c. Source |
Having gotten past this linguistic hurdle, we can understand clearly what this passage, Luke 11:27-28, does: it establishes veneration of saints based not on their blood relation to Christ but on their obedience to God. It is in that sense that we venerate Our Lady: given that Christ is the Word of God personified, she heard and kept both Him in person as her Child and His teaching, figuratively. In Mary the essence of sainthood is seen in the flesh as well as in the mind. We could say that by the late second century at the latest, when we find evidence of the veneration of both the prophets and the Mother of God in the catacombs, the two reasons to venerate a saint: his martyrdom as in the case of Polycarp, or his obedience to the Word, as in Mary, -- unite into a single practice.
The Poor and Unfortunate
40 Not to afflict an orphan or a widow (Ex. 22:21) (CCN51).
41 Not to reap the entire field (Lev. 19:9; Lev. 23:22) (negative) (CCI6).>br> 42 To leave the unreaped corner of the field or orchard for the poor (Lev. 19:9) (affirmative) (CCI1).
43 Not to gather gleanings (the ears that have fallen to the ground while reaping) (Lev. 19:9) (negative) (CCI7).
44 To leave the gleanings for the poor (Lev. 19:9) (affirmative) (CCI2).
45 Not to gather ol'loth (the imperfect clusters) of the vineyard (Lev. 19:10) (negative) (CCI8).
46 To leave ol'loth (the imperfect clusters) of the vineyard for the poor (Lev. 19:10; Deut. 24:21) (affirmative) (CCI3).
47 Not to gather the peret (grapes) that have fallen to the ground (Lev. 19:10) (negative) (CCI9).
48 To leave peret (the single grapes) of the vineyard for the poor (Lev. 19:10) (affirmative) (CCI4).
49 Not to return to take a forgotten sheaf (Deut.
24:19) This applies to all fruit trees (Deut. 24:20) (negative) (CC10). 50 To leave the forgotten sheaves for the poor (Deut. 24:19-20) (affirmative) (CCI5).
51 Not to refrain from maintaining a poor man and giving him what he needs (Deut. 15:7) (CCN62). See Tzedakah: Charity.
52 To give charity according to one's means (Deut. 15:11) (CCA38). See Tzedakah: Charity.
That's an odd statement...Faith is faith and works are works...You can show your faith by doing works but you can't increase your faith by increasing your works...However, you may increase you works as your faith is increased...
Yeah I read all that! It was spot on.
LOL They do use the words then expand on them to negate the saving faith. It’s not “faith alone” the Catholicism teaches. They teach that the works are part of the saving. That’s NOT what scripture says.
Scripture teaches that the works are only an indication of the saving faith as shown in James.
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
I would suggest that the difference between what the RCC teaches and scripture teaches is that the RCC teaches that salvation comes through faith and works. Scripture teaches that works are the result of saving faith but it was the faith that saved, works had nothing to do with salvation. And that’s a huge difference.
I would suggest for those who are truly interested and being called by God to understand that the following site is a good place to start.
http://www.biblecentre.org/addresses/mv_faith_and_works_in_james.htm
Sometimes, you must repeat the question before you finally get an answer, instead of a speech.
So you can prove from scripture that neither Timothy nor Paul knew first hand the faith that Timothy’s grandmother had? Where does it teach the she died before Timothy could have known her faith first hand or been taught by his mother that she had great faith. Surely you are not basing your argument on supposition are your?
>>In 3 John 1:10, likewise, it is not St. John but the recipients of the letter who will be stirred by the account of what Diotrephes did, so clearly they do not remember what they yet don’t know.<<
There you go again! Look at verse 9.
3 John 1:9 I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not.
Already there John obviously experienced the fact that Diotrephes did not receive them. Then look at verse 10 again.
3 John 1:10 Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church.
John clearly remembers him “prating against us with malicious words”. Those in that church would have clearly been aware of what Diotrephes did. You’re going to need a different passage to try to prove your point but there aren’t any.
Nice try. i'm talking about the religious traditions not specified in Scripture that Protestants cling to.
Well, let’s see what God has to say about that.
Leviticus 19:9 And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest. 10 And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the Lord your God.
Leviticus 23:22 And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not make clean riddance of the corners of thy field when thou reapest, neither shalt thou gather any gleaning of thy harvest: thou shalt leave them unto the poor, and to the stranger: I am the LORD your God.
Deut 15:7 If there be among you a poor man of one of thy brethren within any of thy gates in thy land which the Lord thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not harden thine heart, nor shut thine hand from thy poor brother: 8 But thou shalt open thine hand wide unto him, and shalt surely lend him sufficient for his need, in that which he wanteth. 9 Beware that there be not a thought in thy wicked heart, saying, The seventh year, the year of release, is at hand; and thine eye be evil against thy poor brother, and thou givest him nought; and he cry unto the Lord against thee, and it be sin unto thee. 10 Thou shalt surely give him, and thine heart shall not be grieved when thou givest unto him: because that for this thing the Lord thy God shall bless thee in all thy works, and in all that thou puttest thine hand unto. 11 For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land. 12 And if thy brother, an Hebrew man, or an Hebrew woman, be sold unto thee, and serve thee six years; then in the seventh year thou shalt let him go free from thee. 13 And when thou sendest him out free from thee, thou shalt not let him go away empty: 14 Thou shalt furnish him liberally out of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress: of that wherewith the Lord thy God hath blessed thee thou shalt give unto him. 15 And thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in the land of Egypt, and the Lord thy God redeemed thee: therefore I command thee this thing to day.
Seems that God would disagree with you.
But they have to have read enough of scripture to know what the laws of God really are. Unfortunately it seems that Catholics get their scripture from the RCC mostly and it appears to me that very few of them read other than what then what they get in mass.
Comments like that don’t show that you know scripture very well. And getting snarky like that while showing your lack of knowledge of what the laws of God really are doesn’t do your credibility much good.
I would dare bet the farm she has! Verse 10 is simply confirming that it’s not man that gets credit for the good works but it is God. And those good works would not have been instilled unless there was also faith.
Yay!!!! I win!!! I get to keep the farm!!!
Oooo! You did better than me! And yet metmom gets told “you post idiotic statements” because she said there are no works outside of the law right? Oy vey!
I’ll bet that’s what Elsie the goat said too! :-)
Ah Ha! It’s the over 100 words thing that loses ya?
It depends on whether they are a baby Christian or a mature Christian whether we feed milk or meat. We need both addressed here it seems to me. The errors of the RCC are best rebuked with meat I think. God knows who needs what and there are lurkers of all types and growth. Press on with faith my brother!
Amen, Amen and Amen!!
In my experience, the scripture they know and post is what little they can dig up out of their catechism...They don't read the bible, they read Apologetics which uses a hand full of verses which they falsely think defends their false doctrines...Works well for other Catholics but is only comical to bible believers...
Hillsong is the BEST
HaHa...The Law covers just about anything anyone could think of...If yer breathin', it's covered by the law...
HaHa...You don't bring a catechism to a bible fight...
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