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To: Colofornian
>> So...Cynical...go ahead & be cynical...but your tone toward Catholics on this particular matter needs a bit more humility...asking the question in a manner that assumes topical "MIA" status from the Bible...yet only serves to reveal your own Biblical ignorance instead.<<

That was a nice try Colofornian but there’s several errors in your attempt to correct me. First of all my question was “So show me from scripture where those who passed from this life after Christ’s resurrection have an active role in what goes on here on earth.” The verse from Revelation does not show that they are in any way active in what is going on here one earth. They are active in what is going on in heaven. Read the passage again. They aren’t carrying any prayers from anyone one earth. They are asking when God will avenge their deaths. They are told to wait until “the full number” of those who will be killed during the Tribulation have been. Surely you don’t equate their request for vengeance to what the Catholics refer to as saints do you?

Second problem with your attempt is that those saints are Tribulation saints. Those that were killed for not taking the number of the beast during the Tribulation. The church, the body of Christ, has long left the earth by that point and are already in their white robes.

So please don’t accuse me of ignorance when the verse you used clearly does not answer the question I asked.

804 posted on 07/16/2013 2:26:36 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear; All
The verse from Revelation does not show that they are in any way active in what is going on here one earth. They are active in what is going on in heaven. Read the passage again. They aren’t carrying any prayers from anyone one earth. They are asking when God will avenge their deaths.

And the event locale of their deaths occurred where? (On earth)

So where do you get from that no "active role in what goes on here on earth"???

(a) They were "active" in lobbying our Lord in heaven;
(b) And the point of their discussion was exactly what went on upon earth -- the event locales of those deaths; and for at least some of those victims, their murderers at the time of their lobbying may still (have been walking) on Planet Earth @ the time of their petition unto the Lord.

Second problem with your attempt is that those saints are Tribulation saints. Those that were killed for not taking the number of the beast during the Tribulation. The church, the body of Christ, has long left the earth by that point and are already in their white robes.

You are simply downright pathetic in your open ignorance of what is plainly already in the context of that which I cited...

And since I cited to you these same very verses in my last post to you, you are doubly without excuse for such willful ignorance!

But I will cite them again! And this time I will both all-cap and bold face the crucial portion which plain-as-day contradicts your claim:

Revelation 6: 9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10 They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” 11 Then each of them was given a white robe, AND THEY WERE TOLD TO WAIT A LITTLE LONGER, UNTIL THE FULL NUMBER OF THEIR FELLOW SERVANTS, THEIR BROTHERS AND SISTERS, WERE KILLED JUST AS THEY HAD BEEN.

At the point of these departed saints' petition, how could your claim of: "The church, the body of Christ, has long left the earth by that point and are already in their white robes" be true if the "full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters," had YET to be "killed just as they had been" (Rev. 6:11)

Why did you, and do you, ignore plain-as-day what Rev. 6:11 says?

The very answer they are given 100% contradicts your claim that the Body of Christ had long left the earth!

ALL: Here's a lesson for you...when Johnny-come-lately dispensationalists come on the scene and teach their "tribulation" theology that the early pre-Roman church NEVER taught...and then they have to ignore verses like Rev. 6:11...'cause it doesn't match what their pet tribulation theology teacher has taught them!

809 posted on 07/16/2013 3:06:24 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: CynicalBear; Colofornian
...but your tone toward Catholics on this particular matter needs a bit more humility...


858 posted on 07/16/2013 7:12:05 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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