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The verse from Revelation does not show that they are in any way active in what is going on here one earth. They are active in what is going on in heaven. Read the passage again. They aren’t carrying any prayers from anyone one earth. They are asking when God will avenge their deaths.

And the event locale of their deaths occurred where? (On earth)

So where do you get from that no "active role in what goes on here on earth"???

(a) They were "active" in lobbying our Lord in heaven;
(b) And the point of their discussion was exactly what went on upon earth -- the event locales of those deaths; and for at least some of those victims, their murderers at the time of their lobbying may still (have been walking) on Planet Earth @ the time of their petition unto the Lord.

Second problem with your attempt is that those saints are Tribulation saints. Those that were killed for not taking the number of the beast during the Tribulation. The church, the body of Christ, has long left the earth by that point and are already in their white robes.

You are simply downright pathetic in your open ignorance of what is plainly already in the context of that which I cited...

And since I cited to you these same very verses in my last post to you, you are doubly without excuse for such willful ignorance!

But I will cite them again! And this time I will both all-cap and bold face the crucial portion which plain-as-day contradicts your claim:

Revelation 6: 9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10 They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” 11 Then each of them was given a white robe, AND THEY WERE TOLD TO WAIT A LITTLE LONGER, UNTIL THE FULL NUMBER OF THEIR FELLOW SERVANTS, THEIR BROTHERS AND SISTERS, WERE KILLED JUST AS THEY HAD BEEN.

At the point of these departed saints' petition, how could your claim of: "The church, the body of Christ, has long left the earth by that point and are already in their white robes" be true if the "full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters," had YET to be "killed just as they had been" (Rev. 6:11)

Why did you, and do you, ignore plain-as-day what Rev. 6:11 says?

The very answer they are given 100% contradicts your claim that the Body of Christ had long left the earth!

ALL: Here's a lesson for you...when Johnny-come-lately dispensationalists come on the scene and teach their "tribulation" theology that the early pre-Roman church NEVER taught...and then they have to ignore verses like Rev. 6:11...'cause it doesn't match what their pet tribulation theology teacher has taught them!

Their “active lobbying” is without effect.

Nothing will nor should change Yehova’s plan.

As for any saints having left the Earth, the word says “at the last trump” and “After the tribulation of those days,” so let’s not get ahead of Yehova. The “First Resurrection” will definitely be at Yom Teruah, not before.

Those that have not studied the feasts in depth are simply not equipped to understand any prophecy of any kind. They describe a perfect time table for all of the events from the rededication of the altar onward.

Again, nice try but you really need to work on reading comprehension. You said that they were also concerned with those on earth. How do you know that? Their question to God was “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” They had to be told there were others that were to be killed before they were avenged. Active on earth? They would have known that the time was not yet had they known what was happening on earth.

>>Why did you, and do you, ignore plain-as-day what Rev. 6:11 says?<<

I would suggest I see what it says much clearer than you do as evidenced by the lack of understanding you show by not seeing that they were only asking to avenge only their blood.

>>The very answer they are given 100% contradicts your claim that the Body of Christ had long left the earth!<<

The church is not on this earth during the Tribulation. The Tribulation is the wrath of God. Can you show me where God ever allowed those faithful to Him to experience His wrath?

>>that the early pre-Roman church NEVER taught<<

It was prophesied by Daniel and taught by the apostles.

>>You are simply downright pathetic in your open ignorance of what is plainly already in the context of that which I cited... <<

And I thought you were so concerned with “tone”? Pfffft.