Posted on 07/14/2013 3:02:43 PM PDT by NYer
Yes, I do pray to my favorite saints for interception with God. I also collect Sicilian votives of various body parts so that I can get relief from my sinuses, etc.
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What part of ONE don’t you understand? Jesus is our mediator - not anyone else.
1 Timothy 2:5
King James Version (KJV)
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus
Sorry...but I don’t see the word *alone* in that quote anywhere.
I think all Christians agree that the Bible is an amazing, living source of teaching, inspired by God to assist us in following the WAY with Jesus...but I have never seen any Scripture that says it “alone* can teach/guide us. It does NOT say that the Bible is the pillar of truth for us either.
I was merely pointing out the similarity of the understanding that the soul is alive, and the earthly body is a covering like a tent.
You see it differently, that’s all.
Where does the Catholic church teach that we pray “to” the Saints in heaven?
“I did read your post and saw nothing that stated we needed nothing else besides the Bible.”
I can’t help you if you refuse to read the facts. Sorry. You can either actually respond to what I say or play stupid. But, I’m not obligated to play stupid along with you.
“Hmmmm...well when Paul was writing...did the Christian communities (or even the rest of the Aposltes and disciples) have access to all the books of the Bible? When did they first have access to the Bible? Exactly how many years went by in the history of Christianity before there was a Bible?”
Presumably the Old Testament always existed. And the New Testament was written and handed down to the church as they were being produced. Ignatius, Polycarp, and Irenaeus, from the end of the 1st century to the middle part of the 2nd century, quoted from essentially every book in the Bible, save maybe 2 Peter or Jude. That demonstrates that the scripture was already available, most of it being written before the destruction of the Jewish Temple, with the only stragglers possibly being the work of John, who survived after the Temple’s destruction.
Not to mention, all of the Apostles had the authority to produce scripture, and to be regarded as Prophets, so as long as they were alive, no written text was even necessary, and anything God inspired in them to write is what would become our treasure after they pass.
“Let the dead bury the dead.”
A mediator!= An intercessor.
“And the New Testament was written and handed down to the church as they were being produced”
You never answered his question. When did the Church have access to the New Testament in the form that we have it today?
Jesus is our only mediator
Thank you for your correct, biblical, theologically-sound, historically accurate answer to the question. It is spiritually refreshing to hear the truth succinctly stated. Whether it will be believed and followed as opposed to following the “doctrines and traditions of men” on this subject is another matter all together. But if they reject the truth, that is not your fault because you have presented sound, biblical doctrine concerning the question.
Didn’t you attack me earlier for rejecting contraception?
“You never answered his question. When did the Church have access to the New Testament in the form that we have it today?”
Actually, I did answer his question.
Again, mediator!= intercessor.
The terms do not mean the same thing. Look at Lot - he pleaded with YHWH to save the people of his city if enough righteous were found.
Revelation 22:
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
“Huh?”
I give you extra credit for succinctness!
Unfortunately, I must take away points for lucidity.
Still, you have enough points left over to pass this semester. Congratulations!!!
:-)
No, you didn’t.
One, you never specified a time.
Two, you spoke of books, individual, not of the bible as a whole, which is what his question asked.
So when did the bible first appear in the form in which we are familiar with today?
I guess it’s a bad thing then that Luther’s abridged bible tossed out books, eh?
jm,
Thanks for taking time to post and for your kindness.
When faced with “boldly coming before the throne of God” as EVERY Christian may do because of the work of Christ,
or pretending or hoping someone else can hear you and bring them before God, I will go directly to God.
best,
ampu
“One, you never specified a time.”
Yes I did. I said “they were handed down to the church as they were produced.” I don’t know how much clearer I can be than that.
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