Posted on 07/14/2013 3:02:43 PM PDT by NYer
Nah, I barely responded to “hater.” People are going to say what the are going to say. I do think it’s a politically correct and reckless phrase that is oten tossed about to shout out the truth, but if that’s all it was I probably wouldn’t have responded.
In this instance I mostly reacted to “rabid anti-Catholicism,” believing some explanation is owed. I see Catholics or Mormons try to shut down debate by saying something like “it is so sad that Christians can’t get along and focus on our real enemies.” I can’t pretend either group is made up of Christians in the Bible meaning of that word. I can’t be quiet and pretend Rome or Salt Lake City offer the way to Christ when I know both preach another gospel, a false gospel that ensnares unsuspecting souls. These Catholics believe these things they do have some eternal value, but their prayers to saints, their Hail Mary’s, their rosaries, their observance of days, their penances, their indulgences, their confessions, their Filthy Rags, aren’t worth anything. These are manifestations of manmade religion that have zero merit with God. Their strivings may make an old narcissistic pope happy, but God only accepts those clothed in Christ’s perfect righteousness, that righteousness imputed to sinners that makes them as holy as Christ in God’s eyes. When Christ’s righteousness is imputed to a sinner it’s a legal declaration that can never be changed. Their sin debt is marked paid-in-full even though they are as guilty as can be.
Satan does his best work in the realm of religion. he’s the angel of light. To men Rome looks grand. She just has to be God’s institution because she is so old and glorious and she seems so holy. To use an Old Testament metaphor, those who believe that are caught in the Fowler’s snare.
Bears repeating. Over and over again.
Catholics are so focused on each and every individual sin, thinking that each sin sends them to hell and must be repented of individually.
Yet how is that possible? They don't realize how much sin everyone commits every day. EVERYONE is going to miss repenting of something, either because they sinned unintentionally and didn't realize it, or they forgot.
And then they are *repenting* of things that the Bible doesn't even list as sin, like missing mass once a week for no good reason.
They just don't understand the legal transaction part of it in the least.
Exactly. They are trying to establish their own righteousness, which is an absolutely impossible task. The don’t understand that sin isn’t only a list of bad things we do, it’s who we are. It’s our very nature from the start. The Psalmist tells us that we were conceived in iniquity. Everything about us is corrupted because we have inherited the nature of our great-grandfather Adam. Because God is so holy He demands absolute perfection to enter His kingdom. The only perfect righteousness that’s available for a pitiful sinner like me is the righteousness that comes from the imputation of Christ’s righteousness.
Rome works hard to hide the truth about the nature of sin. Satan is clever, I will give him that. Rome has grand doctrines and rituals that have been developed over the centuries to obscure the truth about sin. Rome has divided sin into unbiblical categories with differing ways to deal with the sins found in each category. But the Bible never speaks of venial and mortal sins. According to the Bible, ALL SIN IS MORTAL. And the only way to deal with any sin, even a little itty bitty venial sin, is the blood of Jesus Christ.
People sometimes mistakenly say of a Christian that he’s “self-righteous” when in reality a Christian is anything but. A true born-again Christian is a man who knows he has no righteousness of his own. He’s meek in spirit, he knows he has nothing in and of himself to offer our awesome and thrice holy God. Out of his poverty he cries out to Christ. He utterly and totally relies on Christ. He knows only Christ’s blood, and Christ’s blood alone, can make him pure. He knows his labor, his work, could never fulfill the demands of the law because if you have broken the law at even one point the Bible tells us you are guilty of the whole law. The law points out our sin, it isn’t a way to heaven and it never was. The only man who ever perfectly kept the law was Jesus Christ.
The truth is everyone who isn’t in Christ is “self-righteous.” They are people who will have nothing but their own righteousness, their own works righteousness, their own filthy rags to offer the Lord on that great day of judgment. Oh how I wouldn’t want to be in that position.
The great hymnist Augustus Toplady understood these things centuries ago.
1. Rock of Ages, cleft for me,
let me hide myself in thee;
let the water and the blood,
from thy wounded side which flowed,
be of sin the double cure;
save from wrath and make me pure.
2. Not the labors of my hands
can fulfill thy law’s commands;
could my zeal no respite know,
could my tears forever flow,
all for sin could not atone;
thou must save, and thou alone.
3. Nothing in my hand I bring,
simply to the cross I cling;
naked, come to thee for dress;
helpless, look to thee for grace;
foul, I to the fountain fly;
wash me, Savior, or I die.
4. While I draw this fleeting breath,
when mine eyes shall close in death,
when I soar to worlds unknown,
see thee on thy judgment throne,
Rock of Ages, cleft for me,
let me hide myself in thee.
Yet believing does result in obedience. but obedience to man is conditional, and while those who sat in the seat of Moses over Israel as the stewards of Divine revelation and inheritors of the promises,. (Rm. 3:2; 9:4) did have authority, this did not require or render them to be infallible, yet as with Rome, they presumed a level of assured veracity above that which is written.
For the decision of their [Pharisees] Scribes, or "Soferim" (Josephus, σοπισταί; N. T., γραμματεἴς), consisting originally of Aaronites, Levites, and common Israelites, they claimed the same authority as for the Biblical law, even in case of error (Sifre, Deut. 153-154); they endowed them with the power to abrogate the Law at times (see Abrogation of Laws). - http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/12087-pharisees.
What MUST we do...
PNSN...terse and tense as always...
Well; if we contacted DEAD people I guess you'd have a case. But we only contact LIVE people! --CatholicDude(Simple; once you think about it!) [Elsie]
Yup...that HAS been the typical response from "Catholic dudes"...
Why...the next time ghostly spirits appear to the Pope, they can announce..."Hey, we talk. We're alive, too"
Around 600 or so approx. 1,180,000,000 Therefore, each ‘saint’ has about 2 million souls they have to service. Some of these ‘saints’ are not well known at all; so they get off a little easier I imagine; while other SAINTS have quite a reputation; so they probably get a lot MORE stuff sent their way. If only one in a hundred Catholics send a prayer request to Saints CEntral Clearinghouse, that’s about 20,000 requests for help each day - per saint - on average. [post 1196]
Well, there's yet another facet of the Catholic Church only acknowledging 600 "official" saints (give or take whatever the actual # is)
If "sainthood" is meant to be a common goal of the church...it's not turning out very many "grads."
Yeah, I know Jesus said "wide is the road that leads to destruction, and narrow is the way to life," but this approach is even worse than the Latter-day SAINTS quest for "sainthood"...who limit living eternally in God's presence to...
Those married in the Mormon temple...[there goes the singles; the divorced; all those married beyond Mormon temples]
...Those who have temple recommends...perhaps only 15% of worldwide Mormonism...[there goes the cafeteria and Jack Mormons + all church members beyond Mormonism...strange that a supposedly highly touted "family-oriented" religion has so few that it will actually "reconnect" living with Heavenly Father...Mormons say other religionists can live in heaven...just not in Heavenly Father's presence]
...and then beyond that, is the long list of commandments & additional "throw-in" requirements the Mormon missionaries never get around to telling their targets...
Mormons are only 1.7% of the U.S. population...so temple-recommend Mormons are only about a quarter of 1%...and that's this country...it's wafer thin in MOST countries...
Expected ‘opinion’ from one who was corrected and cannot handle it.
How did he pull that off? I nominate him for sainthood! ;)
izzy, metmomanator still waiting on an answer.
Of course!
It’s a MIRACLE!!!
Bah!!
Who cares what YOU have to say; anyway??
Just WAIT ‘til my BUDs chime in!!!
—MormonDude(Sic ‘em, boys!! [and girl, too!} )
Meanwhile...
Hey Catholics!!
Just WHO is going to rise from their graves at the last trump of Christ?
Luke 21:24 They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive among all nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
Romans 11:25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
Romans 11:26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;
Did you notice the will? I highlighted it for you. Not is constantly coming, or perpetually coming but will come. See how easy that is? If you read scripture asking the Holy Spirit for guidence rather than listen to the error of the RCC it becomes clear.
CB you keep forgetting I was an evangelical protestant and thankfully Jesus came into my heart and drew me back into the pillar and foundation of truth, the Catholic Church.
Well I can help ya there Elsie! (I’m just that kind of guy ya know) According to the Catholics it ain’t gonna be the saints cuz they ain’t dead. It’s gonna be a bummer for them too cuz they thought because they was saints they got the good stuff more than others.
Doesn’t surprise me. We are told there will be a falling away first. Sorry to hear that you were one of those.
"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;" 2 Thessalonians 2:3
I can only repeat the admonition contained in Reveleation.
Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
So you didn't believe the Protestants who I am sure told you to study the scriptures, and believe them...Did you make Jesus your Savior???
If Jesus is in your heart and the Holy Spirit indwells your body, why don't you have an appetite for the words of God in his scriptures???
Jesus drew you 'back' to the Catholic religion??? So you started out as a Catholic...
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