Posted on 07/14/2013 3:02:43 PM PDT by NYer
There is no ALL in these words of JESUS either. While He died for ALL not ALL following him on HIS narrow road which few do but on the road to destruction which 'man' and their teachings leads MANY them onto.
“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and MANY enter through it. "
"But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a FEW find it."
This wouldn’t be just yet another protestant interpolation?
It's showing those who doesn't KNOW God's WORD/those we EXPECT to get from GOD while they bow to 'man which is evil' and their teachings. No one can serve two masters.
“All true believers are saints in true Christianity”
There is only one kind of believers - those who are 'born again 'in Christ' and HE/HIS WORD is their final authority. While counterfeits want to claim what isn't theirs......
God says: "What right have you to recite my laws or take my covenant on your lips? Psalm 50:16
If you see TRUTH as venom, I can’t help you. Being lost is a choice.
Of course we all you can't and won't, because well you know.....
“God bless you for trying to argue with the haters...You just can’t get through the rabid anti-Catholicism.”
I’ve run into you many times, but I don’t know you, Bigg Red. I bet if we stuck to topics aside from Christianity we would agree much more often than we disagree. And the same goes for almost every other FReeper. The sole reason I occasionally engage in these discussions is because I care about people and cannot stand the thought of anyone I had the opportunity to reach being misled, even if my role is only to make them uncomfortable in their soul and start thinking. Where The Lord is concerned, I would rather tell someone a hard truth and anger them than remain silent and keep the peace. Ultimately I know that the only way I can influence you or anyone else is if The Lord opens your eyes to the truth. It’s in His hands, not mine. My job as a believer is to continually point people to Christ and the great truths of His word and leave the rest in His hands.
Yes, I am anti-Roman Catholic, and rabidly so, if by that you mean I am against the Roman Catholic religious system. I am not, however, against any Catholic person, the leaders of your church aside. I see the comments made here by Catholics and they hurt me, but not for me, for them. I see so much superstition, so much deception, so much bondage, so much spiritual blindness, so much ignorance and it really bothers me because I see souls in eternal peril, souls of people I would really like and care about if they lived next door. Souls who remind me of my Catholic relatives, who are as decent as they can be, but who are also as lost as they can be.
I know I don’t always use the right words and sometimes I express hard opinions that are bound to be upsetting, but I do it because many years ago someone I barely knew cared enough to tell me the hard truth. I don’t do it because I’m a hater. I do it because I’m not.
May God bless you!
P.S. Ever notice how no Christian here seems to push joining the Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Lutherans, etc.? Yes, we have theological distinctions and we debate those, but ultimately we all want people to come to Christ. In contrast, the Catholics here continually (I’m talking daily) point us to Rome or some aspect of the Roman system, and not Christ.
I think they now claim to have "reformulated positively" that statement (i.e., gave them a little more wiggle room).
From http://peacebyjesuscom.blogspot.com/2011/09/contradictions-in-roman-catholicism.html:
• RCC: 846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?[335] Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:…Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.[336]
Any person who "knows" that the Roman Catholic Church is the only way to be saved and rejects it, can't be saved. Of course, those who don't believe the assertions the RCC makes for herself CAN be saved by believing in and following Jesus Christ as Savior without belonging to and remaining in the RCC. Got it? ;o)
Sure they can renounce it if they want. There's a Catholic on this thread already renouncing that the Catholic church doesn't and didn't mean what they said when previous poses posted the ex cathedra statements that there is no salvation outside the Catholic church.
Well, I thank you for your blessings.
I am sure you are well-meaning, but you are the one who has been misguided in your religious path. But I will not argue with you or try to convince you.
BTW, I am never angered by the anti-Catholic comments, just saddened.
May our Blessed Lord watch over you and bless you.
It’s rather easy. God is infinite and eternal but not continually doing something He has deemed complete per His plan.
Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth and all their array were completed. 2 On the seventh day God completed the work he had been doing; he rested on the seventh day from all the work he had undertaken.
So you see, God’s plan for redemption through the sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross was completed and does not need to be continually “sacrificed”. Not limited by time and space but does complete His purposes.
Well stated!
When we pray for others, we are actively taking a part in their lives and ministry and, when we see prayers answered, our faith is encouraged and strengthened. Those who pray to "saints" - even if they claim to be only "asking" for their intercession - either give the initial glory to the saint instead of Almighty God or they assume something lacking in themselves if their prayers are not answered - the "saint" can't possibly be lacking. Sharing our burdens with others right here helps to establish a relationship and solidarity with their lives and causes a brotherly love that comes from agreement in prayer. I do not see anywhere in Scripture where we are told to seek the prayers of deceased saints and I believe that is for a very good reason.
What we all know is that GOD'S WORD is not the final authority for catholics - so don't concerned yourself about time and space - there is something bigger to personally concern yourself about - eternity.
No one will be discussing time and space when they are before God and they are judged by HIS WORD that catholics do not take as their Final Authority.
It appears catholics like to chatter about anything other than their own demise - their avoidance of it is obvious. None the less, it can happen at any moment.
Many that have left this life and have done the same - wasted time on chatter and have NOT bowed to JESUS as their SAVIOR as HIS WORD is their Final authority; YET, the very words they will be judged by will be their final authority when it's too late to believe IT is.
Those under the thumb of 'man made teachings' need to reclaim the time and repent with their heart, accept Jesus The Word as Savior and be made whole by God or be a statistic in satan's kingdom where there is no time and the space if full of stench and wailing with no one to listen to them - ever!
LOL I can’t even imagine an intelligent, reasoning person falling for the double speak of the RCC. It’s astounding to me how people can be so indoctrinated and blind.
I suppose I should have included the word “logically”. Sigh. The contortions they need to go through to stay dedicated to such a cult is astonishing.
It was prophesied...
It is not a 'religious' path but a relationship with Our Father.
But I will not argue with you or try to convince you.
Good because NO ONE can argue and succeed with TRUTH being present or convince anyone who is free in-Christ.
BTW, I am never angered by the anti-Catholic comments, just saddened.
It's not anti-catholic but anti-catholicism. It saddens anyone seeing people in deception through teachings by 'man who are evil' and they shun GOD'S WORD for it. It's sad and ugly to witness.
Ah, yes...
The word even Whitey 'hates' to be called!!
A sure bet to befuddle the one called and generate an almost visceral response to PROVE they ain't one!
(Homey don't play dat.)
God completes His plans but the Catholic Church claims it has to keep happening and I show you from scripture an example of how God completes His plan and it isn’t happening anymore but that isn’t logical to you. Got it. >> And BTW you are not iscool.<<
So you really weren’t looking for discussion and an answer you were just trying to berate Iscool or set a trap of some kind. I see!
Wow! The assumptions being made on this thread are really quite incredible...and overreaching!
First, since your comment was less than 25 words, I'd like to "dial in" & be sure I'm repeating back an "active listening" paraphrase as to what I take that you mean here [Hence, please correct then if I 'misinterpreted'] ...
I take your comment ot mean thus: You consider people who tend to pray already scripted/planted prayers -- be they in the Bible or from some book -- as simply acting by "rote"...which, in turn, "patterns" into empty lip-service vs. true from-the-heart devotion.
Am what I hearing correct as to what you're conveying?
Well, if I'm off-base you can thereby ignore the following:
IF...
...what you say is as presented above, PNSN...
...then, are you consistent?
Does that mean every time somebody...
... sings "by rote" -- "speaking with their lips" -- a "Happy Birthday song" -- their heart is likewise far from those they are singing it to?
Yes? No?
What about annual Christmas carols?
Are ALL those who can't recall all the lines for certain carols -- and need the lyrics in front of them -- worshiping the Lord in vain in the process? (Is that the assumption present here?)
And why even relegate the above to annual events like b'days & Christmas?
How about somebody singing ANY praise song or hymn where those lyrics are printed out in front of them?
I mean, c'mon...if they were really displaying heartfelt devotion to the Lord, and if they've sung it a dozen, a 100, or more times...surely they don't need those lyrics in a bulletin or up on a multi-media screen in front of them, do they? They could just "belt it out" from the heart, right?
In fact, they could just revise the words as they see fit in those songs/hymns, right? What's up with the King James language in many old-time hymns, anyway...(We certainly don't talk like that, anymore -- to each other or to God in prayer/worship, right?)
Or if a guy is trying to be romantic to his gal, and somehow needs karoake lyrics in front of him...or some other "prototypical" trigger...that couldn't possibly reflect a "close-intimate" heart toward his gal, right?...Could it?
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