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To: presently no screen name; CynicalBear; All
What part of ‘speaking with their lips’ but ‘their heart is far from Me’ and ‘their prayers/praise are in VAIN’ don’t you get?

Wow! The assumptions being made on this thread are really quite incredible...and overreaching!

First, since your comment was less than 25 words, I'd like to "dial in" & be sure I'm repeating back an "active listening" paraphrase as to what I take that you mean here [Hence, please correct then if I 'misinterpreted'] ...

I take your comment ot mean thus: You consider people who tend to pray already scripted/planted prayers -- be they in the Bible or from some book -- as simply acting by "rote"...which, in turn, "patterns" into empty lip-service vs. true from-the-heart devotion.

Am what I hearing correct as to what you're conveying?

Well, if I'm off-base you can thereby ignore the following:

IF...
...what you say is as presented above, PNSN...
...then, are you consistent?

Does that mean every time somebody...
... sings "by rote" -- "speaking with their lips" -- a "Happy Birthday song" -- their heart is likewise far from those they are singing it to?

Yes? No?

What about annual Christmas carols?

Are ALL those who can't recall all the lines for certain carols -- and need the lyrics in front of them -- worshiping the Lord in vain in the process? (Is that the assumption present here?)

And why even relegate the above to annual events like b'days & Christmas?

How about somebody singing ANY praise song or hymn where those lyrics are printed out in front of them?

I mean, c'mon...if they were really displaying heartfelt devotion to the Lord, and if they've sung it a dozen, a 100, or more times...surely they don't need those lyrics in a bulletin or up on a multi-media screen in front of them, do they? They could just "belt it out" from the heart, right?

In fact, they could just revise the words as they see fit in those songs/hymns, right? What's up with the King James language in many old-time hymns, anyway...(We certainly don't talk like that, anymore -- to each other or to God in prayer/worship, right?)

Or if a guy is trying to be romantic to his gal, and somehow needs karoake lyrics in front of him...or some other "prototypical" trigger...that couldn't possibly reflect a "close-intimate" heart toward his gal, right?...Could it?

1,160 posted on 07/17/2013 4:32:10 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
IF... ...what you say is as presented above, PNSN... ...then, are you consistent? Does that mean every time somebody... ... sings "by rote" -- "speaking with their lips" -- a "Happy Birthday song" -- their heart is likewise far from those they are singing it to? Does that mean every time somebody... ... sings "by rote" -- "speaking with their lips" -- a "Happy Birthday song" -- their heart is likewise far from those they are singing it to? Yes? No?

So you are taking a 'earthly' view of things and applying them to the Kingdom of God. You can do that all you want but it's not the way 'those in Christ' view the things/words of God.

So you need to be 'in Christ' to understand and now I know where your lack of understanding comes from as you are off based as you take from what is of the world/natural and apply it to the words of JESUS/supernatural. The worldly things have nothing to do with walking in faith - so 'think' before you proclaim.

1,164 posted on 07/17/2013 4:42:28 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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