Posted on 07/11/2013 1:20:45 PM PDT by dangus
Failure rates of common birth control methods:
Symptom-based fertility awareness ("modern Natural Family Planning"): 1.8%
Cervical cap: 6.7%
Combined oral contraceptive pill: 8-9%
Note: "Combined" oral contraceptive pills combine estrogen-based drugs with abortifacients. So without "undetected miscarriages" (i.e., dead babies), this rate would be higher.
Ortho-Evra patch: 8-9%
Nuva Ring: 8-9%
Diaphragm: 12-16% (depending on source)
Male Latex Condom: 15-18% (spermicide-treated, depending on source)
Coitus Interruptus: 18-22% (depending on source)
Rhythm Method: 24-25% (depending on source)
Contraceptive Sponge: 24-32% (depending on whether the woman had been previously pregnant)
Spermicide: 28% (without condom)
Please note the following:
> Condom use is no more effective than coitus interruptus.
> An 18% failure rate does NOT mean that only 18% of women who use this method will ever get pregnant. It means that it reduces pregnancies 82%. So if a women would normally get pregnant after an average of three months without using a condom, she will now get pregnant after only sixteen months.
> Even presuming failure rates are completely independent, using a male condom with a contraceptive sponge combined is still THREE times LESS effective than modern NFP. (15% * 32% is 4.8%, compared to 1.6%)
Now, I believe that you should consider "typical-use" failure rates. But a lot of people reading this are probably jumping out of their seats to deny that condoms have a 18% failure rate. But the "perfect use" failure rate is still higher than the typical-use failure rate for modern NFP, and still three times higher than perfect-use NFP. And I believe that "perfect use" is completely unrealistic: the male partner has to hold the condom on with his hand while he does a one-hand pushup over his partner. And no double dipping without showering between acts!
Also worth noting, the standard-days rhythm method, carefully used, has a failure rate LOWER than the typical-use condoms, plan B, contraceptive sponges, combined diaphragm and spermicide, Nuva Ring, or combined oral-use contraception, and even perfectly used contraceptive sponges, cervical caps, diaphragms, Plan B, or common applications of spermicide.
So why are so many people so convinced that artificial contraception is necessary to prevent overpopulation?
I believe the problem is this: NFP reminds people of the need for responsibility. But modern sexuality is all about compulsivity. What artificial contraception provides
I’m all for birth control. I’m also all for truth, and the truth, as you know, is most failures revolve around misuse. People don’t realize how complicated these devices and drugs are. Most of the women I know on the pill don’t know about the 2 hour rule (take within 2 hours of the same time every day), they don’t know that most anti-biotics render the pill completely worthless that month, and I know a number of “birth control babies” conceived in the first few days of week 4 when the pill is functionally forcing ovulation. The list goes on and on, but we always blame the method not the people who didn’t actually follow the method.
It’s not a design flaw. It’s a device with known limitations. You’re blaming the car for college graduates not wearing seatbelts. Maybe our 3rd world folks by not having grown up in a world where these things are second nature actually bother to follow the instructions better.
Posted on Monday, December 10, 2001 10:49:06 PM by Brian Kopp DPM
British Medical Journal, Sept 18, 1993 v307 n6906 p723(4)
"Natural family planning":
Effective Birth Control Supported by the Catholic Church
R.E.J. Ryder.
Abstract:
Natural family planning, when used by motivated couples, is a safe and cost-effective means of birth control. Natural family planning, which involves teaching women to recognize signs of ovulation and to avoid intercourse on fertile days, is the only method of birth control approved by the Catholic Church. A total of 869 women of diverse ethnic and economic backgrounds participated in a study conducted by the World Health Organization. Regardless of literacy and culture, 93% of the women were able to recognize the changes in their cervical mucus associated with ovulation. Other studies have emphasized the importance of good initial teaching and the motivation of the woman practicing the method. A failure rate of 0.2 pregnancies per 100 women was found in a study of 19,843 women in India.
Try this site:
www.webmd.com › WebMD Home › A to Z Guides
I don’t trust your WebMD source.
My wife and I taught NFP for 10 years. Over that time, we taught many couples then followed up with them long term to help them with charting and interpreting charting. NFP was about 96 - 98% effective for those who were following it correctly/carefully. Most of the pregnancies occurred when the couple knew they were taking chances.
I try to tell this to people all the time. Using birth control reduces your chances of pregnancy, but does not eliminate it. So don’t have sex unless you want to deal with the consequences of getting someone pregnant (or getting pregnant yourself).
Sex usually equals pregnancy. Wait until you are married.
You have to pay very close attention to birth control methods. All you have to do is read the package or prescription to know that. I think we are dealing with some folks who don’t like birth control (and I understand that) and so have to denigrate the easiest and cheapest method.
that’s not the same as a citation, sir.
Where’s your source?
“have to denigrate the easiest and cheapest method.”
The easiest and cheapest method of contraception is abstinene.
Then perhaps we shouldn’t be giving them condoms at all if condoms are so ineffective.
If you built a building with a 20 percent chance of expected failure rate during normal (and not extraordinary usage) how long would you work as an engineer?
I simply googled: failure rate of various birth control methods.
I have at least as much reason to trust what it says as I do to trust what you say.
But they AREN’T ineffective. They’re 98% effective when the instructions are followed, one of the most effective things out there. Good not just for stopping pregnancies, like all the other methods, but also diseases.
It’s NOT a 20% expected failure rate. At this point, having had it explained to you multiple times, you’ve taken this to the point of lying. You’ve been shown the stats, and yet you persist in putting out FALSE numbers. Since all you have left is lies we can see that you know the facts are against you, but you won’t admit you’re wrong. Bye.
Oddly enough, still no actual citation.
Fine! I have no problem with you saying that.
But that doesn’t mean the condom is ineffective. You are not talking to ignorant children on this forum - you are talking to well-educated people who have had experience with various birth control methods. If you think it is immoral to use those methods, I understand your point of view. Just say it.
If these methods were so ineffective, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
[quote]It’s NOT a 20% expected failure rate.[/quote]
Your own rate shows 15-18 percent expected failure rate with spermicidal treated male condoms.
Same as russian roulette.
“You’ve been shown the stats”
And your stats support me.
“putting out FALSE numbers”
I’m simply citing the source you quoted.
“you won’t admit you’re wrong.”
People don’t like truth when it shows them to be wrong. Again, using a condom is like playing russian roulette.
“you are talking to well-educated people who have had experience with various birth control”
Again - we’re getting citations that show the accuracy of these numbers that condoms in the real world fail about 15-18 percent of the time.
You contend this cannot be true, and then fail to find a source that cites what you believe.
What am I to think? I’m personally going to think that you are lying to me.
You’re LYING again.
http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/explanation-condom-failure-rates
During a year of typical condom use, between 10 and 15 out of 100 sexually active women will become pregnant. During a year of perfect condom use, that number drops to between 2 and 3
out of 100 sexually active women becoming pregnant.
It’s 10 to 15 when used improperly which is NOT failure of the device but the people. 2% when used properly. So the ACTUAL failure rate is 2% and saying anything else is LYING. Funny you say people don’t like the truth when it shows them to be wrong, since you HAVE been shown to be wrong, and continue to LIE.
Yes, dear, I’m lying to you. I own the Trojan Company and go on all conservative websites to fight against folks who think there is a 18% failure rate. How did you ever “out” me?
I actually don’t know how to post outside sources which is why I don’t do it. Imagine if I had to read the directions of an average birth control method!
And always remember: Google (or Bing) is your friend.
Again, your source shows 15-18 percent failure rate in the real world.
Either you were lying then or lying now.
“I actually don’t know how to post outside sources which is why I don’t do it.”
You understand my concern!
I understand where you are coming from. However, I do believe that there has been substantial amounts of misinformation on this topic. And yes planned parenthood is the source of much of the information. It’s like trusting a tobacco company to report on lung cancer rates.
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