60% of women having unplanned children used birth control. Here's why it doesn't work.

http://www.wopular.com/60-women-having-unplanned-children-used-birth-control-herex27s-why-it-doesnx27t-work ^ | Dangus

[dangus]

Failure rates of common birth control methods:

Symptom-based fertility awareness ("modern Natural Family Planning"): 1.8%

Cervical cap: 6.7%

Combined oral contraceptive pill: 8-9%

Note: "Combined" oral contraceptive pills combine estrogen-based drugs with abortifacients. So without "undetected miscarriages" (i.e., dead babies), this rate would be higher.

Ortho-Evra patch: 8-9%

Nuva Ring: 8-9%

Diaphragm: 12-16% (depending on source)

Male Latex Condom: 15-18% (spermicide-treated, depending on source)

Coitus Interruptus: 18-22% (depending on source)

Rhythm Method: 24-25% (depending on source)

Contraceptive Sponge: 24-32% (depending on whether the woman had been previously pregnant)

Spermicide: 28% (without condom)

Please note the following:

> Condom use is no more effective than coitus interruptus.

> An 18% failure rate does NOT mean that only 18% of women who use this method will ever get pregnant. It means that it reduces pregnancies 82%. So if a women would normally get pregnant after an average of three months without using a condom, she will now get pregnant after only sixteen months.

> Even presuming failure rates are completely independent, using a male condom with a contraceptive sponge combined is still THREE times LESS effective than modern NFP. (15% * 32% is 4.8%, compared to 1.6%)

Now, I believe that you should consider "typical-use" failure rates. But a lot of people reading this are probably jumping out of their seats to deny that condoms have a 18% failure rate. But the "perfect use" failure rate is still higher than the typical-use failure rate for modern NFP, and still three times higher than perfect-use NFP. And I believe that "perfect use" is completely unrealistic: the male partner has to hold the condom on with his hand while he does a one-hand pushup over his partner. And no double dipping without showering between acts!

Also worth noting, the standard-days rhythm method, carefully used, has a failure rate LOWER than the typical-use condoms, plan B, contraceptive sponges, combined diaphragm and spermicide, Nuva Ring, or combined oral-use contraception, and even perfectly used contraceptive sponges, cervical caps, diaphragms, Plan B, or common applications of spermicide.

So why are so many people so convinced that artificial contraception is necessary to prevent overpopulation?

I believe the problem is this: NFP reminds people of the need for responsibility. But modern sexuality is all about compulsivity. What artificial contraception provides

[Brian Kopp DPM]

This medical journal article was written by a good friend of mine. I am an officer of the board of his research institute. Please, do not repeat this nonsense about the cancer risks from the pill being slight. It does a grave disservice to your fellow men and women.

Oral Contraceptive Use as a Risk Factor for Premenopausal Breast Cancer: A Meta-analysis

Breast cancer is the leading cause of cancer in women worldwide and the most common cause of cancer death in US women aged 20 to 59 years. Each year in the United States, approximately 211,000 women develop breast cancer and more than 47,000 (20%) do so before the age of 50 years. Approximately 2 in 15 American women are expected to develop breast cancer in their lifetime, and nearly 40,000 women die of the disease annually. During the past 4 decades, breast cancer rates have risen steadily worldwide and have risen even faster in more developed countries, especially among younger women. Click on a link below to read Dr. Kahlenborn's article on this topic:

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[Brian Kopp DPM]

Are you a Christian?

[count-your-change]

Can you answer a question?

[boatbums]

There’s Sal, always ready to point out someone else’s mistakes!

Though he may not have posted the thread, I don’t think one could fairly say he hasn’t pretty much dominated the conversation.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Actually, I only see evidence that you are a vicious anti-Catholic spammer on these threads. Frankly, I see no evidence of any Christian demeanor in your posts. So no, I do not care to debate anyone who shows no Christian virtue or charity. If I want to debate folks like that, I’ll go over to DU. Its too late in the game to play your games.

[boatbums]

I think the only "reality" you are espousing is the narrow and exclusive one you and some others are convinced is the ONLY and RIGHT way to think because your magesterium has deemed it so and who condemn any who do not fall in line with their latest proclamations. It is incontrovertible that what many of the ancients taught about things did not always fall in line with what Scripture teaches not what modern medical advances have discovered is true. The Roman Catholic Church is renown for dictating to its members about how to live every aspect of their lives and, no doubt, for many that provides a level of comfort and alleviates the need to think and reason for oneself. I choose to take my leading and message from God's Holy Scriptures and the indwelling Holy Spirit who leads us to all truths. I find when I obey Him, I am at peace with the decisions I have made.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Ok, which is it:

To: Brian Kopp DPM; metmom

>> The same is true for child spacing. If my children would literally starve if my wife were to get pregnant, it is morally licit to space children until I could afford to feed them.<<

So much for “God will provide” if He gives us more children. The lack of faith of Catholics is astounding.

131 posted on Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:51:47 PM by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)

Or

To: Brian Kopp DPM; metmom

...any discussion of contraception today should be one of full understanding of what the man and woman - in the context of their marriage - decide between them and God and what is best for their own family. Intimacy within a marriage is honorable in all and the bed is undefiled, says the Apostle Paul. God gave sexual intimacy to a man and his wife as a gift that can bring the added blessings of children. But I do think He expects us to be sensible about it and responsible to provide for those children we are given and in all things to bring honor and glory to Him.

158

posted on Thursday, July 11, 2013 11:14:31 PM by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)

So are you guys strict providentialists who even in the face of your children dying from starvation would not make recourse only to the natural infertile periods of the women's cycle, or anything-goes-lets-all-contracept modernists?

[CynicalBear]

>> The same is true for child spacing. If my children would literally starve if my wife were to get pregnant, it is morally licit to space children until I could afford to feed them.<<

So much for “God will provide” if He gives us more children. The lack of faith of Catholics is astounding.

...any discussion of contraception today should be one of full understanding of what the man and woman - in the context of their marriage - decide between them and God and what is best for their own family. Intimacy within a marriage is honorable in all and the bed is undefiled, says the Apostle Paul. God gave sexual intimacy to a man and his wife as a gift that can bring the added blessings of children. But I do think He expects us to be sensible about it and responsible to provide for those children we are given and in all things to bring honor and glory to Him.

[Salvation]

Hey, I’m a sinner. I make lots of mistakes. And I admit it.

[boatbums]

Why don't you break down that chart for us civilians? It seems to be saying that some women have an increased risk if they used OC before having their first child. This doesn't represent ALL women who use OC nor what their risk is after they discontinue using them - a statistic the study I cited did indicate was no different than for non-OC using women. My reply was to a person who made it sound like breast cancer was a "given" for any woman who used OC and that is not the case.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

All of Christianity, Protestant, Orthodox, and Catholic unanimously taught since the times of the Apostles that contraception was always sinful and that Onan died for it. It is incontrovertible and uncontested that this is a fact.

In 1930, the Anglicans changed their teaching on this. Back in 1930, even the secular newspaper editors at the Washington Post understood that the prohibition against contraception constituted "the plain teachings of the Bible."

The Washington Post on the evil of contraception
The Washington Post | March 22, 1931 | Editors

Posted on Saturday, October 23, 2010 4:50:52 PM by Brian Kopp DPM

Until the Anglican Lambeth Conference of 1930 no Christian denomination had ever said that contraception could ever be objectively right. The Washington Post, in an editorial on March 22, 1931, said of the Federal Council of Churches' endorsement of Lambeth:

“It is impossible to reconcile the doctrine of the divine institution of marriage with any modernistic plan for the mechanical regulation of or suppression of human life. The Church must either reject the plain teachings of the Bible or reject schemes for the ‘ scientific’ production of human souls.

Carried to its logical conclusion, the committee’s report, if carried into effect, would sound the death knell of marriage as a holy institution by establishing degrading practices which would encourage indiscriminate immorality. The suggestion that the use of legalized contraceptives would be ‘ careful and restrained’ is preposterous.”

By the 1950s, almost all the mainstream Protestant denominations had caved on this teaching. By the early 1970s the Orthodox started wavering.

No one could seriously claim that Christianity has deepened its understanding of morality in the last 50 years. On the contrary, Christianity is splintering on all facets of moral theology in this period of the Great Apostasy.

Yet you honestly think, that by saying

I choose to take my leading and message from God's Holy Scriptures and the indwelling Holy Spirit who leads us to all truths. I find when I obey Him, I am at peace with the decisions I have made.

that you have given yourself a free pass on the 2000 year unanimous teaching of Christianity on contraception, a teaching that was only ever questioned during this current age of Great Apostasy?

Wow. That's hubris on a grand scale.

[Religion Moderator]

Do not accuse another Freeper of telling a lie. It attributes motive, the intent to deceive. It is "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

[boatbums]

My citation included that:

Oral contraceptive use is associated with an increased risk of cervical cancer; however, this increased risk may be because sexually active women have a higher risk of becoming infected with human papillomavirus, which causes virtually all cervical cancers.

It has not been determined that it is the OC, itself, that causes the increase in cervical cancer just that women who take OC may be more sexually active and, thus, more exposed to partners who pass on HPV which "causes virtually all cervical cancers".

Don't forget...I am against oral contraceptives.

[count-your-change]

Oh stuff and nonsense. Who said the following?

“Therefore married contraceptive sex cries out to God for vengeance on two fronts, because it is sodomitic as well as homicidal.”

Meanwhile the thread: “Catholic Relief Services gave over $13 million to pro-abortion group in 2012”

I didn’t ask for debate, only if you could answer a previous question. Thanks for the answer.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

The Lutheran Church

 

*       "Birth Control, as popularly understood today and involving the use of contraceptives, is one of the most repugnant of modern aberrations, representing a 20th century renewal of pagan bankruptcy."

— Dr. Walter A. Maier, Concordia Lutheran Theological

     Seminary, St. Louis, Missouri.

The Methodist Church

 

*       "The whole disgusting [birth control] movement rests on the assumption of man's sameness with the brutes. ... Its [the Federal Council of Churches] deliverance on the matter of birth control has no authorization from any churches representing it, and what it has said I regard as most unfortunate, not to use any stronger words. It certainly does not represent the Methodist Church, and I doubt if it represents any other Protestant Church in what it has said on this subject."

— Bishop Warren Chandler, Methodist Episcopal Church South,

     April 13, 1931.

The Presbyterian Church

 

*       "Its [Federal Council of Churches] recent pronouncement on birth control should be enough reason, if there were no other, to withdraw from support of that body, which declares that it speaks for the Presbyterian and other Protestant churches in ex cathedra pronouncements."

— The Presbyterian, April 2, 1931.

The Catholic Church

 

*       "In order that she [the Catholic Church] may preserve the chastity of the nuptial union from being defiled by this foul stain, she raises her voice in token of her divine ambassadorship and through our mouth proclaims anew:  any use whatsoever of matrimony exercised in such a way that the act is deliberately frustrated in its natural power to generate life is an offense against the law of God and of nature, and those who indulge in such are branded with the guilt of a grave sin."

— Pope Pius XI, Casti Connubii, December 31, 1930, Section 4,

     Paragraph 4.

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*       "Since a week ago last Saturday we can no longer expect them to defend the law of God. These sects will work out the very logic of their ways and in fifty or one hundred years there will be only the Church and paganism. We will be left to fight the battle alone — and we will."

— Father Fulton J. Sheen of the Catholic University of America.

     "Comments ..... and Comments On the Report of The Federal

     Council of Churches of Christ in America." The American Birth

     Control League's Birth Control Review, Volume XV, Number 4

     (April 1931), page 143.

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*       "Liberal Protestantism is really (so it seems to us and we speak with all respect for the noble solicitude it displays for human welfare, its passion for the building up of a better order of society) a new religion, but it is no longer Protestantism — it is pagan humanitarianism, it is the creed of social service built on shifting and unstable experiments, but not on the demonstrated facts of materialistic science."

— Editorial from The Commonweal of March 29, 1931. "Comments .....

     and Comments on the Report of The Federal Council of Churches

     of Christ in America." The American Birth Control League's Birth

     Control Review, Volume XV, Number 4 (April 1931), page 142.

 

The Secular Press

 

*       "Carried to its logical conclusion, the committee's report, if carried into effect, would sound the death-knell of marriage as a holy institution by establishing degrading practices which would encourage indiscriminate immorality. The suggestion that the use of legalized contraceptives would be "careful and restrained" is preposterous."

—   The Washington Post, March 22, 1931.

[Salvation]

Everyone should enjoy this.

Mother Teresa of Calcutta once said: "It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."

The greatest challenge facing the western world is not violence from without, but the tragic decision to take a life within.

[boatbums]

Tsk, tsk, are you trying to play the game of “Let’s you and him fight”?

[boatbums]

So am I, but I try not to intentionally rub someone’s face in theirs.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Most studies now admit its not just behavioral. The pill increases the transcription of the HPV virus and decreases natural immunity to it.

The Combined Influence of Oral Contraceptives and Human Papillomavirus Virus on Cutaneous Squamous Cell Carcinoma

Jimmy T. Efird 1,3 , Amanda e . Toland 2 , C. Suzanne Lea 3 and Christopher J. Phillips 4 1 Center for Health Disparities Research, Brody School of Medicine, e ast Carolina University, 1800 w . 5th Street (Medical Pavilon), Greenville, NC 27834 USA. 2 Department of Molecular v irology, Immunology and Medical Genetics, 998 Biomedical Research Tower, 460 w . 12th Avenue, The Ohio State University, Columbus, OH 43210, USA. 3 Department of Public Health, 1709 w . 6th Street, Mail Stop 660, Brody School of Medicine, e ast Carolina University, Greenville, NC 27834, USA. 4 Department of Defence Center for Deployment Health Research, Naval Health Research Center, Dept. 164, 140 Sylvester Rd., San Diego, CA 92106, USA. Corresponding author email: Jimmy.efird@stanfordalumni.org

Abstract:

The vast majority of cutaneous squamous cell carcinoma (CSCC) will occur in those with fair complexion, tendency to burn, and high ultraviolet radiation (UVR) exposure. Organ transplant recipients also are an important population at great risk for CSCC. An association has been reported between oral contraceptive (OC) use, human papillomavirus virus (HPV) and cervical cancer, and there could be a similar association for CSCC. The cutaneous HPV β -E6 protein, a close cousin of the transformative E6 protein underlying anogenital cancers, has been shown to inhibit apoptosis in response to UVR damage and stimulate morphologic transformation in rodent fibroblast cell lines. Furthermore, OC use has been shown to enhance HPV transcription and may contribute to CSCC risk through this pathway.

Smoking habit, immune suppression, oral contraceptive use, and hormone replacement therapy use and cervical carcinogenesis: a review of the literature

August 2011, Vol. 27, No. 8 , Pages 597-604 (doi:10.3109/09513590.2011.558953)

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Angiolo Gadducci, Cecilia Barsotti, Stefania Cosio, Lavinia Domenici, & Andrea Riccardo Genazzani

Department of Procreative Medicine, Division of Gynecology and Obstetrics, University of Pisa, Italy

Correspondence: Angiolo Gadducci, Department of Procreative Medicine, Division of Gynecology and Obstetrics, University of Pisa, Via Roma 56, Pisa, 56127, Italy. Tel: +39 50 992609. Fax: +39 50 553410. E-mail: a.gadducci@obgyn.med.unipi.it

High-risk human papillomaviruses (HPVs) are involved in the etiopathogenesis of cervical intraepithelial neoplasia (CIN) and cervical cancer. After taking HPV into account, smoking habit appears to be the most significant environmental risk factor, and the risk of this malignancy increases significantly with intensity and duration of smoking. Women with human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) infection experience a higher incidence of CIN and invasive cervical cancer. Among HIV+ women, the highly active antiretroviral therapy increases the regression rate of CIN, but the majority of these lesions do not regress to normal. As far as oral contraceptives (OCs), a systematic review of 28 studies found that, compared with never pill users, the relative risk (RR) of cervical cancer increased with increasing duration of OC use. The results were similar for squamous cell carcinoma and adenocarcinoma, and the RRs decreased after pill discontinuation. However, by weighing risks and benefits, the World Health Organization does not recommend any change in OC practice. There is no correlation between hormone replacement therapy and cervical cancer. Experimental data have shown that estradiol and progesterone can modulate the host immune response to HPV16. Prophylactic vaccination in conjunction with cervical screening is the best prevention strategy for cervical cancer.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Nope. One of you called us hypocrites for saying its OK to have recourse to natural infertile periods in the cycle when the risk of pregnancy is too high, implying our faith is week for not procreating when our children might starve to death.

The other is essentially saying that, in reading Scripture, the Holy Spirit has told them contraception is always OK.

Both claim to be following Scripture.

I'm just wondering which of the two views is of the Holy Spirit, and which is ...not.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Who said the following?

“Therefore married contraceptive sex cries out to God for vengeance on two fronts, because it is sodomitic as well as homicidal.”

I did. Still do. Thanks for bringing it up. Its one of the biggest reasons I worry about the eternal salvation of so many of my separated brethren. And even more so of so many catholics. To those to whom much is given, much will be expected.