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WHY ARE OUR CATHOLIC LAITY SO ILLITERATE WHEN IT COMES TO THE CATHOLIC FAITH
Southern Orders ^ | May 31, 2013 | Fr. Allan J. McDonald

Posted on 05/31/2013 2:44:05 PM PDT by NYer

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To: MarkBsnr
The Church under God's inspiration created the Bible - and under His guidance, included the Septuagint.

Compiling the Bible is nothing to take great credit for.

Scripture was recognized as such before the Bible was compiled and claiming credit for it takes the glory from God.

Something it takes a lot of guts to do.

1,361 posted on 06/07/2013 2:55:42 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: MarkBsnr; Iscool
If you or anyone else chooses to disregard His Church, well, then, you may explain it to Him, as we all must explain ALL of our life to Him at our Judgement.

How do you know what we have to answer for at the Judgment?

Who gave you the inside line?

1,362 posted on 06/07/2013 2:57:57 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Natural Law
Ignoring for the moment your attention span, can you tell me where Jesus got His blood, His DNA and His human nature if not Mary?

Always reframing the question; when your assertion comes under fire...


Every drop of blood Jesus shed on Calvary He got from Mary.

1,363 posted on 06/07/2013 3:17:26 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Natural Law
The lengths some go to to discredit Mary is appalling.

The lengths some go to CREDIT Mary is blasphemous.

1,364 posted on 06/07/2013 3:18:21 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MarkBsnr
If you or anyone else chooses to disregard His Church, well, then, you may explain it to Him, as we all must explain ALL of our life to Him at our Judgement.

If you or anyone else chooses to ADD to what is in the bible....

My question is:

When you Catholics had the chance; why didn't you incorporate all these non-biblical teachings into the bible?

We Protestants would have NEVER known the difference.


1,365 posted on 06/07/2013 3:20:33 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
If you or anyone else chooses to disregard His Church, well, then, you may explain it to Him, as we all must explain ALL of our life to Him at our Judgement.

MM; is YOUR name written there?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fCXpPINYxk

1,366 posted on 06/07/2013 3:23:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

*snicker*


1,367 posted on 06/07/2013 3:24:26 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Gamecock
"They just can't help themselves from trying to credit Mary with salvation for mankind."

So, how many virgin birth babies were represented in your research?

1,368 posted on 06/07/2013 3:43:58 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: Elsie
"The lengths some go to CREDIT Mary is blasphemous."

I don't know why so many Protestants are far more comfortable with the idea of Mary being a slut than the Madonna. I don't know why so many Protestants believe that persons were killed for approaching the Ark of the Covenant, but feel no compunction or reluctance to blaspheme the Ark of the New Covenant. It really is very sad and not at all cute or funny.

1,369 posted on 06/07/2013 3:50:52 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law
I don't know why so many Protestants are far more comfortable with the idea of Mary being a slut than the Madonna.

No one here treats Mary as a slut, and such a suggestion is an offense. Just because we will *not* bow down to her, or attribute to her the things that belong to Yeshua, does not mean we don't respect her.

I don't know why so many Protestants believe that persons were killed for approaching the Ark of the Covenant, but feel no compunction or reluctance to blaspheme the Ark of the New Covenant. It really is very sad and not at all cute or funny.

Silly catlicks... Mary is not the Ark of the Covenant. Yeshua is.

Yeshua contains the commandments and the manna.

Yeshua is the Mercy Seat and is the one who will sit upon it.

Yeshua goes before His people in battle.

Yeshua is the one seething with the power of YHWH.

Yeshua is the one who is 'too holy to touch'.

Yeshua is the one whom the Cherubim bow down before.

Yeshua is the one who sits in the Holy of Holies.

Yeshua is the one the Temple was built to house.

And it goes on and on.

What is blasphemous is attributing these things to Mary.

1,370 posted on 06/07/2013 4:08:02 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1
BLASPHEMY:

I wonder if anyone can recognize all the occult symbols in this picture...

1,371 posted on 06/07/2013 4:24:43 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1

What is that in the center of her body? her “sacred heart?” If so, how is that occultic? Is the horn looking object supposed to be Venus? the moon?


1,372 posted on 06/07/2013 4:57:09 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: roamer_1
What you see is a Monstrance produced by sculptor Stefan Niedorezo. It presents the Real Presence of Christ for adoration surrounded by the images of the Ark of the Covenant and Mary, the Ark of the New Covenant. I do not see blasphemy, instead I see Goodness, Truth and Beauty converging on their apex; Love.

Peace be to you

1,373 posted on 06/07/2013 5:23:19 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law; roamer_1

Picture of Mary. Have to imagine Jesus.

Mary gets more credit, attention, and honor that Jesus.

The heart of Catholicism is Mary, not Jesus.


1,374 posted on 06/07/2013 6:32:55 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ...
And knowing the neighborhood so well, I know this post will be challenged so let's look at all the credit and attention Mary gets.

From this thread alone, it's Mary's blood that Jesus shed for us.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3025958/posts?page=1339#1339

Every drop of blood Jesus shed on Calvary He got from Mary.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3025958/posts?page=1233#1233

Redemption and Salvation entered the world through Mary, not sin.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3025958/posts?page=1236#1236

It is by Eve's disobedience that Man fell, and it is by Mary's obedience that Man is saved.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3025958/posts?page=1245#1245

If you do not have an understanding of the Trinity and the Incarnation you cannot understand Mary. It cannot be found in a single verse, but woven within the Greatest Story Ever Told. Mary IS the Mother of God.

And lest anyone think the words of an anonymous internet poster are not enough, we have here from the CCC,...

http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p123a9p6.htm

969 “This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation .... Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.”510

http://www.ewtn.com/library/Montfort/TRUEDEVO.HTM

When therefore we read in the writings of Saint Bernard, Saint Bernardine, Saint Bonaventure, and others that all in heaven and on earth, even God himself, is subject to the Blessed Virgin, they mean that the authority which God was pleased to give her is so great that she seems to have the same power as God. Her prayers and requests are so powerful with him that he accepts them as commands in the sense that he never resists his dear mother’s prayer because it is always humble and conformed to his will.... St. Louis de Montfort, in Treatise on True Devotion to the Blessed Virgin, #27, 246.

Then there are the prayers to Mary that deify her and claim that God cannot refuse her, putting her over God in authority.

http://www.goodshepherdparish.org/re/Prayer/novenas.htm

“I beg you to present my petition to your Divine Son. If you will pray for me, I cannot be refused. I know, dearest Mother, that you want me to seek God’s holy Will concerning my request. If what I ask for should not be granted, pray that I may receive that which will be of greater benefit to my soul.” Prayer to Our Lady of Hope O Mary, my Mother, I kneel before you with heavy heart. The burden of my sins oppresses me. The knowledge of my weakness discourages me. I am beset by fears and temptations of every sort. Yet I am so attached to the things of this world that instead of longing for Heaven I am filled with dread at the thought of death. O Mother of Mercy, have pity on me in my distress. You are all-powerful with your Divine Son. He can refuse no request of your Immaculate Heart. Show yourself a true Mother to me by being my advocate before His throne. O Refuge of Sinners and Hope of the Hopeless, to whom shall I turn if not you?

And there's far more available on the internet.

The heart of Catholicism is Mary, not Jesus.

1,375 posted on 06/07/2013 6:51:53 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: roamer_1

Apparently that’s Mary sitting on the Mercy seat???


1,376 posted on 06/07/2013 6:54:32 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: metmom
"Picture of Mary. Have to imagine Jesus."

In a forum rich in ignorance of Catholicism, that has broken new ground. For Catholics and those who were legitimately Catholic at one point in their lives, the Real Presence in the Eucharist does not require "imagination". The Eucharist is fully the body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus which is why it is the center of the Monstrance.

This particular Monstrance was made to replicate early Church art and artifacts. To those with any knowledge in art history the placement of objects in art within that era was far more significant than in today's point and click society. There is no more focused and reverent placement of the Real Presence than where it appears in this Monstrance.

Peace be with you

1,377 posted on 06/07/2013 7:05:15 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: BlueDragon
"...but this continual pouring it on thick and fast, going rapidly from one item of contention to another, then back again, around and around and around, after watching it for years now, makes me wonder what "spirit" drives Romanist apologetic"

I'm just gonna say it like I'm thinkin' it FWIW

We are at war and we are fighting the good fight...scripture tells us to put on the helmet we are given (amongst other things) and to take up the sword of the spirit (which is the word of God)...The sword is obviously an offensive weapon in this context (the ONLY weapon in the armoury listed in Ephesians).The protective headgear is listed as the helmet of salvation and in the context of spiritual warfare it is there to protect the mind.(let this mind be in you that was in Christ Jesus....but we have the mind of Christ....be transformed by the renewing of your mind....be of one mind....be persuaded in your own mind....be persuaded that He is able to keep you....You who believe may KNOW ye have life etc etc etc)

If you turn "ye may know you have life" into a "sin of presumption" then you are downplaying the effectiveness of the helmet ie:planting doubt.All that is needed then is to downplay the importance of the sword (which is the word of God...ie: "out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword"...the same sword that "is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart")and you will have people fighting the good fight with doubt in their mind and doubt in their weapon.In that light,that 'spirit' looks a lot like a fifth column.

1,378 posted on 06/07/2013 7:15:43 PM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: metmom
How do you know what we have to answer for at the Judgment? Who gave you the inside line?

It's in the Bible.

"And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works." (Rev 20:11-12)

When the Son of Man comes in His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats, and He will set the sheep on His right hand but the goats at the left. Then the king will say to those on His right hand, “Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, I was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.” ... “Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My Brethren, you did it to me.”

"Then He will also say to those on the left hand, “Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry and you gave Me no food, I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.” ... “Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.” And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."(Matthew 25:31-36, 40-43, 45-46 NRSV)

It's no secret. No inside line. Just basic Christianity.

1,379 posted on 06/07/2013 7:25:44 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: metmom
The Church under God's inspiration created the Bible - and under His guidance, included the Septuagint.

Compiling the Bible is nothing to take great credit for.

You may wish to reread my post.

Scripture was recognized as such before the Bible was compiled and claiming credit for it takes the glory from God.

Evidently the history of the Council of Nicea is a fairy tale to some.

1,380 posted on 06/07/2013 7:27:12 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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