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WHY ARE OUR CATHOLIC LAITY SO ILLITERATE WHEN IT COMES TO THE CATHOLIC FAITH
Southern Orders ^ | May 31, 2013 | Fr. Allan J. McDonald

Posted on 05/31/2013 2:44:05 PM PDT by NYer

WHY ARE OUR CATHOLIC LAITY SO ILLITERATE WHEN IT COMES TO THE CATHOLIC FAITH--BLAME THE TEXT BOOKS, BLAME THE TEACHING METHODS AND BLAME THE PARENTS, BUT BLAME THE BISHOPS, PRIESTS AND CATECHISTS TOO, BLAME EVERYONE INCLUDING SATAN, EXCEPT NO ONE TEACHES ABOUT HIM ANYMORE OTHER THAN POPE FRANCIS, DON'T BLAME HIM!

Do our Catholic children and most adults know what these images teach?

All of us know one of the elephants in the room of the Catholic Church. Our religious education programs are not handing on the essence of our Catholic Faith, our parents are befuddled about their role in handing on the faith and the materials we use are vapid or if good do not make an impression on young minds. We are afraid of asking for memorization and thus most don't remember anything they've learned about God and Church other than some niceties and feel good emotions.

I teach each class of our grades 1-6 (we don't have 7th or 8th) each Thursday, rotating classes from week to week. For the last two years I have used Baltimore Catechism #1 as my text book. It is wonderful to use with children and it is so simple yet has so much content. If Catholics, all Catholics, simply studied Baltimore Catechism #1, we would have very knowledgeable Catholics.

These past two years I've used Baltimore Catechism #2 with our adult religious program which we call Coffee and Conversation following our 9:30 AM Sunday Mass, which coincides with our CCD program which we call PREP (Parish Religious Education Program).

This #2 book has more content and is for middle school, but upper elementary school children must have been more capable of more serious content back when this book was formulated and used through the mid 1960's because it is a great book to use with adults and not childish at all. We all use this same book as a supplemental book for the RCIA because it is so clear, nobly simple and chocked full of content!

Yes, there are some adjustments that need to be made to some chapters, but not that many, in light of Vatican II and the new emphasis we have on certain aspects of Church that are not present in the Baltimore Catechism. But these are really minor.

What is more important though is that when the Baltimore Catechism was used through the mid 1960's it was basically the only book that was used for children in elementary and junior high school. It was used across the board in the USA thus uniting all Catholics in learning the same content. There was not, in other words, a cottage industry of competing publishing houses selling new books and different content each year.

The same thing has occurred with liturgical music, a cottage industry of big bucks has developed around the sale of new hymnals, missalettes and new music put on the open market for parishes to purchase. It is a money making scheme.

Why do our bishop allow this to happen in both liturgical music and parish catechesis? The business of selling stuff to parishes and making mega bucks off of it is a scandal that has not be addressed.

In the meantime, our liturgies suffer and become fragmented because every parish uses a different resource for liturgical music and the same is true of religious formation, everyone uses something different of differing quality or no quality at all.

Isn't it time to wake up and move forward with tried and true practices that were tossed out in favor of a consumerist's approach to our faith that has weakened our liturgies, our parishes and our individual Catholics?


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: catechism; catholic; catholicsects; ignorantprotestants; papalpromotion; traditionalcatholic
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To: Elsie
The Holy Belt, according to the tradition, was made by the Blessed Virgin Mary herself with camel hair.

Oh; I see...

Got it.

1,281 posted on 06/05/2013 2:24:32 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Natural Law
You have a fantastic sense of humor and a sharp wit.

SOME say 'half' of the time.

1,282 posted on 06/05/2013 2:24:56 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
I haven't seen anyone state or brag that they can sin with impunity because they know they're saved.

How many people here claim that they are saved - and they know it?

1,283 posted on 06/05/2013 2:25:32 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: metmom
Sure because God doesn't have a mother. Jesus did.

Jesus is not God in your theology?

1,284 posted on 06/05/2013 2:26:12 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
You guys do not get to create your own gospel.

Did I make one?

COOL!!!!

(You guys don't get the job of being the sole dispenser of Christ's; either.)

1,285 posted on 06/05/2013 2:26:12 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MarkBsnr

There ya go!

(Now if all the bells and whistles can be gotten rid of...)


1,286 posted on 06/05/2013 2:27:04 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: rbmillerjr
“Then the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD, and served the Baals; 12 and they forsook the LORD God of their fathers, who had brought them out of the land of Egypt; and they followed other gods from among the gods of the people who were all around them, and they bowed down to them; and they provoked the LORD to anger. 13 They forsook the LORD and served Baal and the Ashtoreths.” “For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and did not fully follow the LORD, as did his father David.” “Therefore do not pray for this people, nor lift up a cry or prayer for them, nor make intercession to Me; for I will not hear you. Do you not see what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? The children gather wood, the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods, that they may provoke Me to anger.” >> How do you know the Gospels are the word of God?<<

It says so in them

>> Why do you believe the New Testament is authentic?<<

Because the Holy Spirit testifies to that fact.

Acts 15:8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness by granting them the holy Spirit just as he did us. 9 He made no distinction between us and them, for by faith he purified their hearts.

And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Counselor to be with you forever--the Spirit of Truth. The world cannot accept Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. But you know Him, for He lives with you and will be in you. John 14:16,17

>> On what authority do you rely?<<

Christ.

1 Corinthians 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

1,287 posted on 06/05/2013 2:27:26 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: MarkBsnr

Me...


1,288 posted on 06/05/2013 2:27:29 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: WVKayaker; Religion Moderator

I don’t think that your references to Mark’s BS or the photo of the dog’s anus are fitting for the RF. But I’ll let the moderator decide.


1,289 posted on 06/05/2013 2:27:36 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Elsie
Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God

That CAN'T be right, can it? We "have been"...are you sure it doesn't say we "MIGHT have been"??? ;o)

1,290 posted on 06/05/2013 2:27:42 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Me...


1 John 5:13 (ESV)
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.

1,291 posted on 06/05/2013 2:31:24 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MarkBsnr
Jesus is not God in your theology?

Sigh...

When a person (a Christian at least) says 'GOD'; to me that implies the GODHEAD: all three parts of the Trinity.

Thus, one cannot be the mother of 'god' for HE3 has ALWAYS existed.

Jesus; however; is merely (bad choice of word) ONE of the 3.

HE did have a 'mother' if you wish to say so, and the bible certainly does.

Mary was the vehicle that supplied 1/3 of 'god' with flesh.

1,292 posted on 06/05/2013 2:37:08 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

I’ll take three sigma.....Its better than a humorless life.


1,293 posted on 06/05/2013 2:37:37 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: MarkBsnr; WVKayaker; metmom; bkaycee; Elsie
>>Paul tells us that the Church teaches, and has the words from God.<<

The Holy Spirit teaches and ALL true believers have within them the Holy Spirit for guidance.

"The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Cor 2:14

And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Counselor to be with you forever--the Spirit of Truth. The world cannot accept Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. But you know Him, for He lives with you and will be in you. John 14:16,17

It’s the lies of the RCC that would have you believe otherwise.

1,294 posted on 06/05/2013 2:46:16 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: metmom
Scripture is all that is needed to bring a person to salvation. BlueDragon posted that from your own church in post 1260. Your own Catholic church says as much.

Have you even read Dei Verbum? You may want to personally revisit your statement.

Catholic teaching prohibits in vitro fertilization, ...

On what basis? Its own opinion? Or on the Scripture that you claimed does not address contemporary issues?

Scripture ... as explained at the link I posted above.

1,295 posted on 06/05/2013 3:11:16 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer

So Scripture really does address contemporary issues after all, eh?


1,296 posted on 06/05/2013 4:24:29 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: MarkBsnr
How many people here claim that they are saved - and they know it?

A bunch.

What's that got to do with the charge that people think they can sin with impunity because they know they're saved?

1,297 posted on 06/05/2013 4:55:21 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Natural Law
Its better than a humorless life.

I'd just HATE to be a JW today!

Heaven's already got it's 144,000 - no birthday parties - and they have no dog in the fight over politics!!

1,298 posted on 06/05/2013 5:07:30 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
"I'd just HATE to be a JW today!"

I thought of a dozen JW jokes to respond with, but in all reality, their error outweighs their zeal and I just feel sorry for them.

Peace be with you

1,299 posted on 06/05/2013 7:22:00 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: MarkBsnr
He doesn't. Individual humans reject Him.

It's not like people are saved until they reject Him.

Scripture teaches that men are lost unless they accept Him.

Anyone who wants salvation is free to avail themselves of it. God will not deny it, say *No* to anyone who asks, repents and believes.

1,300 posted on 06/06/2013 12:10:14 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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